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Featured Morality: Do you agree

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Nimos, Jan 24, 2023 at 10:46 AM.

  1. Trailblazer

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    God does not have whims. God has a mind and a will and determines what is moral and reveals that through His Messengers.
    If God exists and created humans then God determines what moral behavior is for humans.
    If there is no God, then humans determine what is moral for themselves.
    It is acting morally if God is the authority who sets the standards for human morality.
    It is also obedience, and it is in our best interest to obey God, if God exists.
     
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    The world is not better after all this atheistic moral thing arrived to it; it is a lot worse than before. How can be better a world where people decide what is "good" depending on their political or economic interests? :eek:
     
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    Once again, I am in favor of longer life. I would not want to live forever, though.
     
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    If morality depends on God's opinion at the time, it's not objective by any stretch of the imagination.
     
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    Science is not anymore on the hands of the peoples ... It is just a means to get richer and most of discoveries are used in that direction ... Be real.
     
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    Does God have to follow His own rules?
     
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    And until recently we did not know of any planets outside of our solar system. Now we know of thousands.

    It is not at all easy to detect planets orbiting other stars. We did not have the capability at all until a couple of decades ago. Even now, finding a planet the size of the Earth around another star is very, very difficult.

    So, our knowledge is not even close to good enough to make conclusions about our uniqueness.
     
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    You don't know many scientists, do you?
     
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    Knowledge do not make people happier. ;)
     
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    Have diseases disappeared? Has hunger disappeared? Have wars been eliminated? Have they managed to prevent and avoid violence?
     
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    Because we no longer rely on prayer to heal people. Now we can use medicine. We no longer treat those who disagree with us an deserving of death, so we are less violent (even though we are still way too much so). We no longer see it as appropriate to have slaves, or to have public executions, or to torture people. Yes these things happen, but far less than before.

    By almost every objective standard, we are better off now than any time in history.
     
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    Ignorance is bliss?

    Let me guess,

    Freedom is slavery.
     
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  13. Eli G

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    Hehehe. You are an idealist. Be real. There is a cure for most illnesses. But they are not accesible to poor people.
     
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    So if god decides that genocide is moral, then it is.
    If god decides that infanticide is moral, then it is.
    If god decides homophobia is moral, then it is.
    If god decides that slavery is moral, then it is.


    I call that moral bankruptcy.

    I don't "decide" what is and isn't moral. Instead, I conclude it in the most objective manner possible with as a foundation well-being (good) and suffering (bad) of sentient creatures

    It's not hard.

    I also find that a lot of times, my conclusions are diametrically opposed to the morals of "gods".

    "might makes right".

    That's that moral bankrupcy I was referring to.
     
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    We need God because He will really solve the problems of humanity. Governments and institutions are ruining the planet ... and gettig worse every day.
     
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    That's an excellent point.
    I would not want to live forever on earth no matter how much better conditions got.
    We cannot imagine what the spiritual world will be like since it is so different from this world.
    When there is not time (such as we know it in this world) we won't be thinking of time. We will simply exist.
    Whether we will *like* existing or not is another matter, and I believe that will depend upon many things.
     
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    I asked you "why". I didn't ask you to simply repeat your disagreement.

    Tell me HOW it was better before 1914.
    Be specific.
     
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    No, they have not. But they have been drastically lessened. You seldom see children with polio any more. Nobody dies of smallpox these days. Violence still happens, but you are *far* less likely to die of violence than in the past (and would be better off if not in the United States). You are also far less likely to die in a war than previously.
     
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    Some people are only happy when their ideas are not challenged.

    Others are happy when we learn more.
     
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    What laws do you think those are?
    If you are referring to the laws in the Old Testament, that's ancient history, so it does not apply to the modern age.
     
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