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Featured Monotheism Poll

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Sleeppy, Dec 31, 2016.

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  1. Yes; Free will allows me to subvert God's will.

  2. No; God's will is insurmountable.

  3. Yes, And No; God permits His subversion.

  4. Other

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  1. Sleeppy

    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    Standard monotheistic definition of God:


    Creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
     
  2. lovesong

    lovesong .little necromancer. .shaman in training.
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    I voted just to view results. Not a monotheist, just curious. May want to make results visible without voting. :p
     
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  3. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    @Sleeppy , you may want to indicate in the thread title that the poll is for monotheists specifically.

    Unless it is not, of course.
     
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  4. Sleeppy

    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    Just a generic thread/poll topic.
     
  5. Sleeppy

    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    Interesting spread.
     
  6. columbus

    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    I voted "other".
    I don't think God has a will any more than gravity does. God just is. Will is something limited beings like humans have.
    Tom
     
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  7. Laika

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    Voted Other due to Atheism and being a determinist.
     
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  8. DawudTalut

    DawudTalut Peace be upon you.

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    Yes, And No; God permits His subversion
    ---in the sense that God has destined certain things which are unchangeable, eg, God and His Prophets will surely prevail.

    but, when a person repents, God forgive him and cancel the comming punishment eg. people of Jonah/Yunus Prophet repented and were forgiven.
     
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  9. Sleeppy

    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    My question to you:

    When 'God' is no longer supreme (i.e. God), but subverted by His creation, is He also ignorant of His creation?
     
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  10. Muffled

    Muffled Jesus in me

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    I believe permission does not subvert His will but it is His will for the short term. Granted that His long term goal is submission to His perfect will and permission temporarily disrupts his perfect will.
     
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    Muffled Jesus in me

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    I believe the Bible says otherwise and what other source would there be?
     
  12. columbus

    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    The Bible says many things, lots of which are very wrong. That's because the people who wrote it were primitive and ignorant. They didn't know as much as I do, and there are lots of people who know far more than I do.
    Evidence, reason, and logic, AKA science. Taking into account the vastly improved store of knowledge and wisdom we have, and that the ancients simply didn't have, can give us far better results than relying on Scripture.
    Tom
     
  13. Sleeppy

    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    James 1:1-8

    All joy count [it], my brethren, when ye may fall into temptations manifold; knowing that the proof of your faith doth work endurance, and let the endurance have a perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire -- in nothing lacking; and if any of you do lack wisdom, let him ask from God, who is giving to all liberally, and not reproaching, and it shall be given to him; and let him ask in faith, nothing doubting, for he who is doubting hath been like a wave of the sea, driven by wind and tossed, for let not that man suppose that he shall receive anything from the Lord -- a two-souled man [is] unstable in all his ways.


    2 Peter 3:9

    The Lord is not slow in regard to the promise, as certain count slowness, but is long-suffering to us, not counselling any to be lost but all to pass on to reformation.



    Why is it preferable to divide God's will into two?
     
  14. Guy Threepwood

    Guy Threepwood Mighty Pirate

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    Yes and no..

    Regarding fate v. random events- In the wise words of Forrest Gump, 'Maybe it's both?'
     
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  15. Sleeppy

    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    Right.

    We know that the universe expanded from a single point; the singularity. Our physical laws rely on this. So are you suggesting that the singularity is not the sole source, i.e. that the singularity is not itself the will of our existence?
     
  16. Guy Threepwood

    Guy Threepwood Mighty Pirate

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    The Bible told us that the universe had a creation event (something atheist scientists opposed for a long time)- that the Earth was once entirely water, and once one great land mass and one great ocean, that animal life first appeared in the ocean, developed in distinct stages- not slow gradual changes- and that Man came last. It describes the unfolding of larger dimensions from smaller to create space/time and correctly compares the number of stars in the universe to the grains of sand on Earth

    If they were ignorant, they sure made a lot of extraordinarily lucky guesses!
     
  17. columbus

    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    They made a lot of vague assertions that can easily be reinterpreted to mean whatever someone wants them to mean. Same with the ethical teachings, which is a much bigger problem.
    Tom
     
  18. Guy Threepwood

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    Scientists would never do that!

    [​IMG]
     
  19. columbus

    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    Scientists don't claim to have Truth in any absolute sense. They are always open to change based on more and better data and analysis.
    Unlike religious people who commonly schism and start wars and such rather than admit when a religious belief doesn't match reality or is illogical.
    And you kinda skipped over the "ethical" part of my post.
    Tom
     
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  20. Guy Threepwood

    Guy Threepwood Mighty Pirate

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    Are you kidding?

    that's why questioning their opinions makes you a DENIER OF FACT!?

    “Evolution is a fact. Beyond reasonable doubt, beyond serious doubt, beyond sane, informed, intelligent doubt, beyond doubt evolution is a fact... Dawkins

    Doesn't get much more gogmatic than that does it?

    cobblers!, if you don't mind me saying so


    I acknowledge faith in my beliefs, how about you?

    On ethics. Atheists Stalin, Mao, Il Sung, killed more people in a single generation, than every religious conflict in the history of humanity combined. There is nothing more dangerous than replacing personal ethics derived from faith, with those of a tyrant.
     
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