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Yes, And No; God permits His subversion
---in the sense that God has destined certain things which are unchangeable, eg, God and His Prophets will surely prevail.
but, when a person repents, God forgive him and cancel the comming punishment eg. people of Jonah/Yunus Prophet repented and were forgiven.
I believe permission does not subvert His will but it is His will for the short term. Granted that His long term goal is submission to His perfect will and permission temporarily disrupts his perfect will.Standard monotheistic definition of God:
Creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
I believe the Bible says otherwise and what other source would there be?I voted "other".
I don't think God has a will any more than gravity does. God just is. Will is something limited beings like humans have.
Tom
The Bible says many things, lots of which are very wrong. That's because the people who wrote it were primitive and ignorant. They didn't know as much as I do, and there are lots of people who know far more than I do.I believe the Bible says otherwise
Evidence, reason, and logic, AKA science. Taking into account the vastly improved store of knowledge and wisdom we have, and that the ancients simply didn't have, can give us far better results than relying on Scripture.what other source would there be?
I believe permission does not subvert His will but it is His will for the short term. Granted that His long term goal is submission to His perfect will and permission temporarily disrupts his perfect will.
The Bible says many things, lots of which are very wrong. That's because the people who wrote it were primitive and ignorant. They didn't know as much as I do, and there are lots of people who know far more than I do.
Evidence, reason, and logic, AKA science. Taking into account the vastly improved store of knowledge and wisdom we have, and that the ancients simply didn't have, can give us far better results than relying on Scripture.
Tom
The Bible says many things, lots of which are very wrong. That's because the people who wrote it were primitive and ignorant. They didn't know as much as I do, and there are lots of people who know far more than I do.
Evidence, reason, and logic, AKA science. Taking into account the vastly improved store of knowledge and wisdom we have, and that the ancients simply didn't have, can give us far better results than relying on Scripture.
Tom
They made a lot of vague assertions that can easily be reinterpreted to mean whatever someone wants them to mean. Same with the ethical teachings, which is a much bigger problem.If they were ignorant, they sure made a lot of extraordinarily lucky guesses!
They made a lot of vague assertions that can easily be reinterpreted to mean whatever someone wants them to mean.
Scientists don't claim to have Truth in any absolute sense. They are always open to change based on more and better data and analysis.Scientists would never do that!
Scientists don't claim to have Truth in any absolute sense.
They are always open to change based on more and better data and analysis.
Unlike religious people who commonly schism and start wars and such rather than admit when a religious belief doesn't match reality or is illogical.
And you kinda skipped over the "ethical" part of my post.
Tom