Modern Science proves the Authenticity of the Glorious Qur'an

[Gharib]

far too many western scientists do prove that the scientific evidences found in the Qur'an are not man made.

"Again, the point has been made, I think, repeatedly by other speakers this morning: these hadeeths could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available [at] the time of their writing . ."
Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson

note: he is talking about hadiths, hadiths ussually elaborate most of the verses in the quran. Dr. Simpson is actually taling about the following hadiths;

"In every one of you, all components of your creation are collected together in your mother’s womb by forty days..."

"If forty-two nights have passed over the embryo, God sends an angel to it, who shapes it and creates its hearing, vision, skin, flesh, and bones...."

these claims are also supported by another scientist, who happens to be an expert in the same fields as Simpson

"The Quran describes not only the development of external form, but emphasizes also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science.”
Dr. E. Marshall Johnson

note: they are not "back to back", there may be some years in difference to both statements.

Also he (Dr. Johnson) says;
“As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Quran. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I knew today and describing things, I could not describe the things which were described. I see no evidence for the fact to refute the concept that this individual, Muhammad, had to be developing this information from some place. So I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write.”

i think i'll let this sink in first and post some more statements later. i also have the actual comparisons made between the scientific miracles of the Qur'an and actual scientific facts, wich i trust they will not be called "BIASED" by some non muslims as then they will be contradicting modern science.

 

[Valjean]

Drivel

 

[doppelganger]

Never ceases to amaze me how frequently we find exactly what we are looking for - almost as if the question were already answered before it was ever asked.

 

[Gharib]

what i've read so far are BLAH BLAH. frob both.

if you have something to add or would like to know more or would like to disscuss any of this, please do so, otherwise i know what your answers will be. just like i stated in the OP.

i guess you 2 never read that far.

 

[doppelganger]

what i've read so far are BLAH BLAH. frob both.

if you have something to add or would like to know more or would like to disscuss any of this, please do so, otherwise i know what your answers will be. just like i stated in the OP.

i guess you 2 never read that far.

What would qualify as "discussion" in your mind? Are you expecting that people will read this and conclude that the Qu'ran is the one true book from "God" and convert to Islam?

 

[Gharib]

Islam Guide: The Quran on Human Embryonic Development

 

[Gharib]

What would qualify as "discussion" in your mind? Are you expecting that people will read this and conclude that the Qu'ran is the one true book from "God" and convert to Islam?

like that will ever happen.
no i don't expect anyone to do that, i'm just telling, thats all i'm doing, telling.

you think i expect anyone to convert or actually believe any of this. no i don't.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

How would any number of scientific coincidences in the Quran "authenticate" it? I don't think you've actually shown that these verses show any special knowledge, but even if they did, so what? All you'd show is that this particular verse presumably didn't come from people. But there's more in the Muslim pantheon than just people and God, right? What about angels? What about jinns? Even if we accept the basic tenets of Islam as true, "superhuman" does not necessarily imply "Godly".

Also, think about this: you're trying to lead us to a certain conclusion about this verse. But why should we apply the same conclusion to the entire Quran? Even if there's some divine original source for the book, who's to say that some other verse wasn't subject to non-divine additions, deletions or edits after God was done dictating it? What if Muhammad understood what Gabriel was saying some of the time, but mis-heard him other times and wrote down the wrong thing?

 

[doppelganger]

like that will ever happen.
no i don't expect anyone to do that, i'm just telling, thats all i'm doing, telling.

you think i expect anyone to convert or actually believe any of this. no i don't.

Okay, just wondering because your response to people not outright agreeing with you seemed very hostile for someone who isn't proselytizing.

My first post was a valid one. You can take any of the "Holy" books and make them seem full of "science" facts and prophecies by interpreting them heavily enough. The arcane and heavily symbolic language used in these sorts of writings lend themselves to just about any point you want to make.

These sorts of "proofs" make me think of all the different things that Nostradamus supposedly predicted in his incredibly vague "quatrains".

 

[Gharib]

The next stage mentioned in the verse is the mudghah stage. The Arabic word mudghah means “chewed substance.” If one were to take a piece of gum and chew it in his or her mouth and then compare it with an embryo at the mudghah stage, we would conclude that the embryo at the mudghah stage acquires the appearance of a chewed substance. This is because of the somites at the back of the embryo that “somewhat resemble teethmarks in a chewed substance.” (see figures 5 and 6).

Figure 5: Photograph of an embryo at the mudghah stage (28 days old). The embryo at this stage acquires the appearance of a chewed substance, because the somites at the back of the embryo somewhat resemble teeth marks in a chewed substance. The actual size of the embryo is 4 mm. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 82, from Professor Hideo Nishimura, Kyoto University, Kyoto, Japan.)

Figure 6: When comparing the appearance of an embryo at the mudghah stage with a piece of gum that has been chewed, we find similarity between the two.
A) Drawing of an embryo at the mudghah stage. We can see here the somites at the back of the embryo that look like teeth marks. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 79.)
B) Photograph of a piece of gum that has been chewed.
(Click on the image to enlarge it.)
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How could Muhammad

have possibly known all this 1400 years ago, when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time? Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells (spermatozoa) using an improved microscope in 1677 (more than 1000 years after Muhammad

). They mistakenly thought that the sperm cell contained a miniature preformed human being that grew when it was deposited in the female genital tract.

 

[Gharib]

Okay, just wondering because your response to people not outright agreeing with you seemed very hostile for someone who isn't proselytizing.

My first post was a valid one. You can take any of the "Holy" books and make them seem full of "science" facts and prophecies by interpreting them heavily enough. The arcane and heavily symbolic language used in these sorts of writings lend themselves to just about any point you want to make.

These sorts of "proofs" make me think of all the different things that Nostradamus supposedly predicted in his incredibly vague "quatrains".

well sorry if my post was missleading.

as for the rest of your post, i'm only posting things here that are actualy scientific, so you make up your mind in the end if they are made up or not. but i wont really be looking forward to that, since no one will accpet any of this.

 

[doppelganger]

Post your source, please. Since this is just a cut and paste, post a link and then, if you want, write about your 'evidences' in your own words.

 

[Gharib]

How would any number of scientific coincidences in the Quran "authenticate" it? I don't think you've actually shown that these verses show any special knowledge, but even if they did, so what? All you'd show is that this particular verse presumably didn't come from people. But there's more in the Muslim pantheon than just people and God, right? What about angels? What about jinns? Even if we accept the basic tenets of Islam as true, "superhuman" does not necessarily imply "Godly".

so you are saying that "it is possible for an angel to know everything, but it isn't possible for god".

if that isn't right please tell me. thats how i see it.

Also, think about this: you're trying to lead us to a certain conclusion about this verse. But why should we apply the same conclusion to the entire Quran? Even if there's some divine original source for the book, who's to say that some other verse wasn't subject to non-divine additions, deletions or edits after God was done dictating it? What if Muhammad understood what Gabriel was saying some of the time, but mis-heard him other times and wrote down the wrong thing?

well Allah himself says in the Qur'an that it will never be edited by man and will remain pure. IF the quran was edited by man, the errors would show soon after, but there are no errors in the Qur'an, since it is from god, and god makes no misstakes.
appart from those 2 answers i don't have any other.

 

[Gharib]

Post your source, please. Since this is just a cut and paste, post a link and then, if you want, write about your 'evidences' in your own words.

there will come a time for that. i'm telling the story here (letting everyone know parts not the whole thing) once i finish, i'll post the link, since this isn't from me, i'm no scientist. i will even post the links to the actual speeches made by the scientists themself. so be patient untill then.

 

[doppelganger]

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[Willamena]

How would any number of scientific coincidences in the Quran "authenticate" it?

In the same way astrology is "authenticated", by mistaking symbolism for actual events that "come true" (or when they are seen to "come true").

 

[doppelganger]

In the same way astrology is "authenticated", by mistaking symbolism for actual events that "come true".

Which is a shame, because myth is so much more revealing when that mistake is seen for what it is.

 

[Gharib]

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so now you have a problem with me oppening this thread?

i will post the link, but when i''m finished, you say thankyou to people once they do the job, not before. ok.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

It cracks me up that people like this never realize that who they're actually trying to convince is themselves. Kind of sad really.

 

[Gharib]

It cracks me up that people like this never realize that who they're actually trying to convince is themselves. Kind of sad really.

yep true, you conviced yourself with your own statement. we know, we've seen it happen many times, your case is one of hem.