Soandso
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It's not my job to do your homework for you. If you want to sit with your fingers in your ears, that's on you. The information is out there if you care to look
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Mississippi Governor Proclaims Confederate Heritage Month
- Thread starter Wandering Monk
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It's not my job to do your homework for you. If you want to sit with your fingers in your ears, that's on you. The information is out there if you care to look
Ignatius A
Active Member
People don't live according to how you think they should live. Unless it personally impacts you why do you care? One of my favorite leftist arguments.
I know and I couldn't care less.
Ignatius A
Active Member
So you make a claim but I have look for the evidence to prove your claim? It's always the same with you folks isnt it?
I couldn't agree more.
The descendants of all those slaves are still there, still citizens of Mississippi, and this is (or really appears to be) a vicious slap in the faces of all of them.
Slavery was (is) a great evil, and making war -- killing your fellow Americans and kinsmen -- to preserve it must be accepted as an even greater evil. Why anyone would want to celebrate it suggests a longing for its return.
Reeves tries to downplay this in his proclamation, saying: “Whereas, as we honor all who lost their lives in this war, it is important for all Americans to reflect upon our nation’s past, to gain insight from our mistakes and successes, and to come to a full understanding that the lessons learned yesterday and today will carry us through tomorrow if we carefully and earnestly strive to understand and appreciate our heritage and our opportunities which lie before us.”
But what he doesn't acknowledge (and therefore downplays) is that Beauvoir is owned and operated by the Sons of Confederate Veterans, a neo-Confederate organization that promotes “Lost Cause” ideology, a revisionist history that whitewashes the Confederacy’s racist past and downplays the role of slavery in the Civil War.
Audie
Veteran Member
If the British observed slavery in
Yankeeland in say 1790 they'd be fully
judtified in waging all out war to the finish?
Soandso
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This is not a thread posted on a debate forum, and honestly my time is too valuable to spend on trying to convince someone who ignores very basic history. I'm assuming you're an American
Curious though: what rationale do you have for the fact that the majority of civil war monuments were erected during the Jim Crowe and civil rights era? What's the point of that? Coincidence? Sure, why not
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
As much as I dislike the Confederacy, I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. I think this falls under freedom of speech and freedom of expression. I personally don't like to glorify the South, but I don't like glorifying the North either. The fact is, the United States of America has a long, disturbing history of racism and racial injustice against minorities (Native Americans, for instance). Racism against minorities and social injustice didn't just exist in the South.
I don't understand this question.
But the answer is "No".
Ignatius A
Active Member
Look you can be outraged if that makes you feel better. I'm not here to make you happy. You made a claim to know the intent of the people who erected those things and I've asked you to show how you know their intent. You're argument is "timing". Ok. It's evidence it's just not compelling in my opinion.
Quite right. The State of Mississippi is free to honour traitors and everyone else is free to shake their heads.
Ignatius A
Active Member
Correct and that has been exploited by some people to create an America that I would suggest is as divided now as during the civil war.
Ignatius A
Active Member
That's true and it's people with attitudes like yours that have divided America.
I don't think the right to say offensive things is being challenged.
It's the wisdom of exalting traitors who fought to keep people
enslaved. Really bad idea.
Why not put up a statue of cops executing civil rights activists, eh.
This would be legal, & would also represent common views.
They could claim that it supports law enforcement.
Some things...some speech....just ought not be done.
Others think it should. That is the issue here.
Soandso
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So "coincidence" it is. Fair enough
Like I said though, it's not my job to do your homework for you. When I was a kid growing up, I learned about how Lincoln the northern aggressor came and attacked the noble people of the confederacy in school. I had to re-educate myself to learn what really happened on my own time. If you care, you can take the effort to do the same
Ignatius A
Active Member
I believe thats precisely what's being challenged here.
Ignatius A
Active Member
Ok. It's a weak argument but it is yours. I can respect your pride in it.
You made a claim and didn't back it up. That's all I need to know about you that you believe others are suppose to find the evidence for your claims. Again it very impressive.
Ignatius A
Active Member
What treason? The treason of leftists dividing America based on race and now gender? If so I agree.
Back in the day: the treason of the Confederates taking up arms against their nation.
Today: the treason of right-wing extremists trying to overturn the results of a democratic election with a half-assed coup.
You think supporting diversity (race, gender) is more divisive than disparaging it and wishing it would all go away? I can tell you, from the perspective of those being thus disparaged, that would be laughable.