Meternity Leave

[bobhikes]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/...deserve-maternity-leave/ar-BBsqle2?li=BBnbcA0

Article about how all women should get maternity leave even if they don't have kids. I figured great idea because it should include men. The following quote is how the author feels about men.

While she thinks both men and women could benefit from a "meternity," she say that women would benefit more because "they are bad at putting ourselves first" and suffer from burnout at a higher rate than men.

So basically tough luck men.

Do women really understand men?

 

[McBell]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/...deserve-maternity-leave/ar-BBsqle2?li=BBnbcA0

Article about how all women should get maternity leave even if they don't have kids. I figured great idea because it should include men. The following quote is how the author feels about men.

While she thinks both men and women could benefit from a "meternity," she say that women would benefit more because "they are bad at putting ourselves first" and suffer from burnout at a higher rate than men.

So basically tough luck men.

Do women really understand men?

Here in my neck of the woods they call it "vacation"...

 

[Lyndon]

No body taking full time care of a young infant would call it a vacation, that's just ridiculous.

 

[bobhikes]

No body taking full time care of a young infant would call it a vacation, that's just ridiculous.

The article is about getting the time off with out children.

 

[Lyndon]

The article is about getting the time off with out children.

Sorry my bad, didn't read it!!

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Meh, she has a fiction book to promote. I wouldn't go too far thinking she's making a well-thought out statement on gender relations or anything.

 

[freethinker44]

I read this article a few days ago, it's ridiculous. I kind of agree with what she's saying but her reasoning is just stupid.
I'm sorry, but having drinks with your sad friend is not the same or even just as valid as caring for kids.
And "to a lesser degree, men", wtf?

 

[GoodbyeDave]

Here in my neck of the woods they call it "vacation"...

That's really the point. The USA is the almost the only country with no statutory rights to paid holidays.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_statutory_minimum_employment_leave_by_country

Similarly, only the USA and Oman have no universal paid maternity leave.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternity_leave_in_the_United_States

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's really the point. The USA is the almost the only country with no statutory rights to paid holidays.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_statutory_minimum_employment_leave_by_country

Similarly, only the USA and Oman have no universal paid maternity leave.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternity_leave_in_the_United_States

USA never will either. This country dosent like or appreciate those kind of accommodations much.

 

[McBell]

That's really the point. The USA is the almost the only country with no statutory rights to paid holidays.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_statutory_minimum_employment_leave_by_country

Similarly, only the USA and Oman have no universal paid maternity leave.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternity_leave_in_the_United_States

I am trying to figure out what this has to do with meternity....

 

[Revoltingest]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/...deserve-maternity-leave/ar-BBsqle2?li=BBnbcA0

Article about how all women should get maternity leave even if they don't have kids. I figured great idea because it should include men. The following quote is how the author feels about men.

While she thinks both men and women could benefit from a "meternity," she say that women would benefit more because "they are bad at putting ourselves first" and suffer from burnout at a higher rate than men.

So basically tough luck men.

Do women really understand men?

To reason that women need time off for children more than men do might be factual,
but this is a thorny issue if they're given greater benefits because of this.
It's illegal to pay men need more money just because they tend to be the breadwinner.
Public policy is heading more in the direction of gender neutral based benefits, & more
depending upon personal need than general tendency. I say this is more practical & fair.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Do women really understand men?

Do they care to?

 

[bobhikes]

Do they care to?

Good Question, I certainly don't know.

 

[bobhikes]

To reason that women need time off for children more than men do might be factual,
but this is a thorny issue if they're given greater benefits because of this.
It's illegal to pay men need more money just because they tend to be the breadwinner.
Public policy is heading more in the direction of gender neutral based benefits, & more
depending upon personal need than general tendency. I say this is more practical & fair.

She is talking about people without children. She specifically mentions taking a day off to spend time drinking with a girl friend who just needs to talk. Apparently men don't need this time off as much as women because they aren't stressed the same.

 

[freethinker44]

She is talking about people without children. She specifically mentions taking a day off to spend time drinking with a girl friend who just needs to talk. Apparently men don't need this time off as much as women because they aren't stressed the same.

I know right. Men committing suicide three times as much as women must be because men just can't handle all that contentment.

 

[Revoltingest]

I know right. Men committing suicide three times as much as women must be because men just can't handle all that contentment.

According to Hillary, dead men aren't victims.
But because they committed suicide, the women in their family suffer.
It sounds like a scam to get more vacation time on the company's dime.
People always be want'n stuff free, eh?

 

[freethinker44]

According to Hillary, dead men aren't victims.
But because they committed suicide, the women in their family suffer.
It sounds like a scam to get more vacation time on the company's dime.
People always be want'n stuff free, eh?

I don't think it's a scam, I get what she's trying to say, I just think she's arguing it in a stupid way.
She's basically just saying if some people get time off, everyone should. Which I agree with to an extent.
Like if salaried employees with married children are allowed to leave early because they have children to take care of is incredibly unfair to other employees.
However, if a company provides maternity leave, I don't think it's unfair to allow only parents of newborns to take it.
In order for that to be fair they would have to give every employee leave every 9 or 10 months, and that would be ridiculous.
Although, that brings up a whole new debate about limits on maternity leave. If a woman can have a child every 10 months or so, in the most generous maternity leave scenarios it's possible for her to be paid for a whole year but only work half a year, and this could go on for years. Is it reasonable for a company to be expected to shoulder this burden? That's probably a discussion for another thread.

But for the most part I agree with what she says, probably just for salaried employees though because hourly employees would be paid less because they worked fewer hours.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't think it's a scam, I get what she's trying to say, I just think she's arguing it in a stupid way.
She's basically just saying if some people get time off, everyone should. Which I agree with to an extent.

I agree with that too, ie, that benefits should be gender blind.

Like if salaried employees with married children are allowed to leave early because they have children to take care of is incredibly unfair to other employees.
However, if a company provides maternity leave, I don't think it's unfair to allow only parents of newborns to take it.
In order for that to be fair they would have to give every employee leave every 9 or 10 months, and that would be ridiculous.
Although, that brings up a whole new debate about limits on maternity leave. If a woman can have a child every 10 months or so, in the most generous maternity leave scenarios it's possible for her to be paid for a whole year but only work half a year, and this could go on for years. Is it reasonable for a company to be expected to shoulder this burden? That's probably a discussion for another thread.

But for the most part I agree with what she says, probably just for salaried employees though because hourly employees would be paid less because they worked fewer hours.

An alternative is that instead of forcing companies to pay for all this time off, let government pay for it.
Then voters will face more directly footing the bill, which might lead to wiser public policy advocacy.

 

[freethinker44]

An alternative is that instead of forcing companies to pay for all this time off, let government pay for it.
Then voters will face more directly footing the bill, which might lead to wiser public policy advocacy.

Oh I am very much a socialist, so if I had my way the government would pay for a lot more than that, but that would definitely derail this thread even more.

 

[Revoltingest]

Oh I am very much a socialist, so if I had my way the government would pay for a lot more than that, but that would definitely derail this thread even more.

To control private companies to such an extent is just as perhaps even more socialistic than gov providing
the benefit. This is because the former is to increase control of "the means of production" while the latter is
merely the welfare state, which is not strictly socialism (by common dictionary definitions).