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Messiah in Islam

Discussion in 'Quranic Debates' started by InvestigateTruth, Oct 15, 2018.

  1. InvestigateTruth

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    First, according to Wikipedia: In Jewish eschatology, the Messiah is a future Jewish king from the Davidic line, who is expected to be anointed with holy anointing oil and rule the Jewish people during the Messianic Age and World to come.[1][2][5] The Messiah is often referred to as "King Messiah" (Hebrew: מלך משיח‎, translit. melekh mashiach) or malka meshiḥa in Aramaic.[6]

    When we examine the story of Jesus in the Christian sources, they all agree that Jesus was not a king, and did not have kingdom, neither he ruled as a ruler among Jews. However Mainstream Christians do not disagree that Messiah is supposed to have a kingdom. Their reply is that, when Jesus returns, then He will have the kingdom as it was promised.

    In Islam, Jesus is the Messiah who was promised to the Jews. However, there is no mention in Quran, or any Hadith that Jesus had any kingdom, or He ever ruled among Jews. We notice that, when it comes to David or Solomon, Islamic traditions describes their kingdom.

    What is the position of a Muslim with regards to the Kingship of Jesus? Was the Messiah supposed to be a king or not? If yes, why there is no mention about the kingdom of Jesus in Islam? If not, how do you explain the fact that both Jewish and Christian Scriptures agree that the Messiah is a King?
    If you say that Messiah means Prophet, why no other Prophet in Quran is called Messiah? What is specific about Jesus, which in addition to a Prophet, He is also called Messiah?
     
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    The word messiah varies in meaning in different places. No, Jesus is not a king in the Quran.
     
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    What if Jesus was a king before he was Jesus and God put a twist on the prophecies. I mean if Jesus didn't side with the Jews, then surely God put some sort of twist on them?
     
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    You think he was reborn? Because he Jesus all along.
     
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    I thought he was King Solomon before he was Jesus personally. I felt that God liked King Solomon, because he realized that everyone is one of God's children, and the Covenant is not exclusive to only the tribes of Israel. God also said to both Jesus and Solomon, "this is My son whom My Favor rests upon" or something of that nature. When I read it about Solomon, I remember finding the same exact words in the New Testament, but this was about a year ago.

    I felt that's why Jesus had the title son of David. I just couldn't imagine Jesus being around since the beginning of time, or God would have sent Jesus down to do Moses' job and establish God's laws and regulations. I couldn't imagine Jesus being God with the way his life ended. I know Muslims believe Jesus' death was all a conspiracy, but I don't believe that.
     
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    That's based solely on your fancying it were so?

    In the Quran?
     
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    Oh man, I keep forgetting the Quran. I wouldn't say it's me fancying it were so considering Judaism is a closed religion in the United States. The only way in is through marriage. Then Jesus sided up with a completely different seed that had absolutely zero relation to Abraham. There's some other things that point to the fact for those who believe in the Bible as well. But for you, my friend, I guess it just doesn't matter, because Islam is perfect just as Muhammad was even though he was schizophrenic at the end of his life supposedly. Being haunted by spirits is called schizophrenia in today's times...
     
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    Well this is a section called Quranic debates.

    Schizophrenia is not just being psychotic or in a psychosis.
     
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    What is the various meanings of the word Messiah? Which one of the meanings was intended for Jesus?
     
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    I think you can find them in Wikipedia.

    Who am I to say what was intended??
     
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    Well, if you believe in the Quran, then Quran teaches about many prophets of the past to learn from their stories. Quran confirms Jesus was the Messiah. If someone believes in Quran as word of God, shouldnt he tries and investigate it more deeply to understand why Jesus was called Messiah by God, and what was the intention of this title?
     
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    Sure but in my due time not yours. He was probably called a Messiah because he cured the sick.
     
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    In Judaism the Messiah was an anointed warrior king descended from Jesse and David who would vanquish the enemies of the Jews... and he would rule as an earthly king.

    I don't think that has a lot in common with the Christian messiah.. or the Mahdi.
     
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    In Judaism the Messiah was an anointed warrior king descended from Jesse and David who would vanquish the enemies of the Jews... and he would rule as an earthly king.

    I don't think that has a lot in common with the Christian messiah.. or the Mahdi.
     
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    In Judaism the Messiah was an anointed warrior king descended from Jesse and David who would vanquish the enemies of the Jews... and he would rule as an earthly king.

    I don't think that has a lot in common with the Christian messiah.. or the Mahdi.

    Messiah, translated from Hebrew, means "anointed".
     
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    If he was curing sick, He would be called doctor, not messiah! ;)
     
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    Yes, and yet Quran comfirms Jesus was Messiah. If He was Messiah in Quran, why He had no kingdom in Quran?
     
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    Because the word Messiah is not the same in Islam.
     
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    The word Messiah is an hebrew word, not Arabic. It has a meaning according to history of jewdaism. Quran confirms, torah and injil to be revelations from God.
    How can you say, Quran view of Messiah is different from previous revealed Book of God, when they are all from the same God according to Quran?

    Anyways, What is it according to Islam? Can you quote from islam? When you say Islam, who do you mean? Quran? Shia? Sunni?

    The messiah is an anoited king, when you read the verses of Torah. But when Jesus appeared, He was not king. The Christians justify it by saying when He comes second time, He will have a kingdom. But Muslims are divided in this regards. Traditionally, they also believed when Jesus returns, He will rule. But in more recent years, a newr group of Muslims, appeared to say, we do not use Hadithes, we use only the Quran, and in Quran, there is no verse that says, Jesus returns to rule, thus we reject all those thousands of Hadithes about Mahdi, and return of Christ.

    I think it is more fair to say, it is not clear in Quran. It might be one of those symbolic verses, not the clear ones, thus those who are well grounded in knowledge can know its interpretation.
     
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    It has a meaning; anointed which isn't restricted to the use of Jewish people.

    The Quran confirms that what is known as Torah is ruined by the Jews. So the Quran does not confirm the Torah.

    I haven't decided upon it - the Islamic scholars have. And surely Muhammad the prophet would have mentioned it if Jesus was a king, but he didn't. Neither does the Quran; Jesus was not a king, had no kingdom and was not intented to have one.

    I do not know a certain reason why Jesus is called a Messiah. I have offered you one which of course was not made up by me. And I have another one which is simply the fact that he was anointed to serve God.
     
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