Meditation and the Conquering of Desire

[Ben Dhyan]

Well, you believe in mysticism/occult, I don't. To each his own.

Excuse me, but you really do not understand my understanding for the simple reason that you have not experienced my experiences.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I think it's best to keep an open mind. IMO neither belief or disbelief are particularly conducive to that.

True, but then if you realize through experience that a certain belief does indeed represent something real, then realization replaces the belief. However to be clear, that realization can not be conveyed to anyone, believer or non-believer, who has not yet experienced the realization.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Excuse me, but you really do not understand my understanding for the simple reason that you have not experienced my experiences.

It is just like belief in God. I find no reason to give it any credence. Similarly Kundalini too. Give me a reason to give it any credence, before I start to search.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It is just like belief in God. I find no reason to give it any credence. Similarly Kundalini too. Give me a reason to give it any credence, before I start to search.

There is no reason to give you a reason, you are welcome to believe whatever you want. I wish you the best in life's journey.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Well, OK. Then, that is what it is (for both of us).

 

[Martin]

True, but then if you realize through experience that a certain belief does indeed represent something real, then realization replaces the belief. However to be clear, that realization can not be conveyed to anyone, believer or non-believer, who has not yet experienced the realization.

Sure. I think it's quite subjective though, given that people interpret their experiences in different ways. Sometimes people "find" what they expect to find, or want to find, and confirmation bias can have a significant effect here.
On the other hand, you're very unlikely to find something if you're not looking for it, or have dismissed it as a possibility.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Sure. I think it's quite subjective though, given that people interpret their experiences in different ways. Sometimes people "find" what they expect to find, or want to find, and confirmation bias can have a significant effect here.
On the other hand, you're very unlikely to find something if you're not looking for it, or have dismissed it as a possibility.

Also true, ultimately the proof of the pudding is in the eating, it may take a lifetime to ultimately find out if 'it' is really real.