Masturbation

[Abdullah al Hanafi]

yes but you are not in the position to interpetate the Hadith , the Scholars of Usool , Hadith and Fiqh , studied hadith and Quran for many years they know exactly how to judge , if you are not an Scholar you are not in a position to issue fatwas ,

look at Quranic verse : O ye who believe! Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and those charged with authority among you. - Quran 4:59

 

[Abdullah al Hanafi]

i bet u can't come up with single verse from Quran prohibiting masturbation. !!

It would be like holding pee or poo for many YEARs.
Can u hold pee or poo for YEARs?????

Similarly a NORMAL man can't hold "that" thing for years while waiting to marry.


& the hell with fatwas. Islam is Quran & Hadith & after that it's personal judgement.

^^^^^^ not an islamic statement you make here , the Scholars are in Authority to issue fatwas they studied Islam their whole life , if you are not a Scholar you are not able to pass a fatwa because you dont know all the hadith , you never discussed it with Ulema , etc etc. dont speak from your nafs Akhi

of course we dont blind follow scholars , we can study aswell , but these basic issues are interpetated and agreed on by almost all of the Scholars that Masturbation is not allowed , from Imam Abu Hanifa till Ibn Qayyim till Bin Baaz all agreed that masturbation is haram

 

[benign6]

^^^^^^ not an islamic statement you make here , the Scholars are in Authority to issue fatwas they studied Islam their whole life , if you are not a Scholar you are not able to pass a fatwa because you dont know all the hadith , you never discussed it with Ulema , etc etc. dont speak from your nafs Akhi

of course we dont blind follow scholars , we can study aswell , but these basic issues are interpetated and agreed on by almost all of the Scholars that Masturbation is not allowed , from Imam Abu Hanifa till Ibn Qayyim till Bin Baaz all agreed that masturbation is haram

i can show u FATWAs allowing masturbation:-

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Ibn al-Qayyim, a 14th century Sunni Islamic scholar
Ibn 'Aqeel, and many of our scholars, and our Shaykh (Ibn Taymiyya) have ruled that masturbation is makruh (disliked), and never explicitly said he that it was haram.



If a man is torn between continued desire or releasing it, and if this man does not have a wife or he has a slave-girl but he does not marry, then if a man is overwhelmed by desire, and he fears that he will suffer because of this (someone like a prisoner, or a traveller, or a pauper), then it is permissible for him to masturbate, and Ahmad (ibn Hanbal) is explicit on this.



Masturbation during the daytime of Ramadan breaks the fast, based on the Hadith that a fasting Muslim gives up eating, drinking, and sexual desire for the sake of Allah. Since masturbation is a kind of sexual desire, a fasting Muslim must avoid it. Therefore, masturbation invalidates the fast as does food and as it is one of the sins that if someone does it he or she would be violating the sanctity of this month."

 

[benign6]

yes but you are not in the position to interpetate the Hadith , the Scholars of Usool , Hadith and Fiqh , studied hadith and Quran for many years they know exactly how to judge , if you are not an Scholar you are not in a position to issue fatwas ,

look at Quranic verse : O ye who believe! Obey God, and obey the Apostle, and those charged with authority among you. - Quran 4:59

again u r mis-interpreting, this in red refer to Rular/Government of area NOT to religious scholars. & i quotes Scolars above allowing masturbation.



Islam is religion of nature. NOT allowing masturbation is like NOT allowing to pee or poo till u r able to marry. Isn't that against NATURE.!!!(if u r a NORMAL man !!!)

This thing accumulates in body & creates pressure like pee & poo pressurize. If u don't let it out there r more chances u'll commit "zina"(adultry)

 

[Abdullah al Hanafi]

again u r mis-interpreting, this in red refer to Rular/Government of area NOT to religious scholars. & i quotes Scolars above allowing masturbation. <<< read the tafsir of Ibn Kathir or other scholars before you pass your opinion



Islam is religion of nature. NOT allowing masturbation is like NOT allowing to pee or poo till u r able to marry. Isn't that against NATURE.!!!(if u r a NORMAL man !!!)

This thing accumulates in body & creates pressure like pee & poo pressurize. If u don't let it out there r more chances u'll commit "zina"(adultry)

pee and poo is natural , masturbating is not a natural common act , your body doesnt require to do such an act ,

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Ibn 'Aqeel, and many of our scholars, and our Shaykh (Ibn Taymiyya) have ruled that masturbation is makruh (disliked), and never explicitly said he that it was haram. <<no wikipedia style of quotes , i want sources also Makrooh is close to haram but thats not the point now ,

you said : again u r mis-interpreting, this in red refer to Rular/Government of area NOT to religious scholars. & i quotes Scolars above allowing masturbation. <<< read the tafsir of Ibn Kathir or other scholars before you pass your opinion

 

[Abdullah al Hanafi]

Akhi Benign have you ever read this Hadith :

[SIZE=-1]The Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him said &#8220;scholars are the inheritors of the prophets&#8221; [Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud, and others]

akhi benin , have you studied
1.Shariaa
2.Fiqh
3.usool al Hadith
4.if your anwer is yes : provide me under wich scholars and wich universities/

if no : you are not able to pass a fatwa , you are not knowledgable to issue fatwas
[/SIZE]

 

[benign6]

pee and poo is natural , masturbating is not a natural common act , your body doesnt require to do such an act ,

hmmm. can i ask ur age if u don't mind.
At least my body does require it.

<<no wikipedia style of quotes , i want sources also Makrooh is close to haram but thats not the point now ,

sources of what??? If something is NOT prohibited by Quran & Hadith Then it's NOT prohibited. No sources r needed. Nothing becomes prohibited by personal thinking of scholars. May be that scholar was "TOO BUSY" to "feel the need". NOT everyone can keep oneself "THAT BUSY".

Akhi Benign have you ever read this Hadith :

[SIZE=-1]The Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him said &#8220;scholars are the inheritors of the prophets&#8221; [Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud, and others][/SIZE]

who would decide who r TRUE scholars & who r NOT???

Taliban "SCHOLARS" banned women from getting education, Now WHAT???

 

[benign6]

Once one of 4 imams told his student that washing b/w fingers is NOT required in wuzu & immediately a student brought Hadith mentioning Prophet(saw) washing b/w toes. Imam immediately appologized & changed what he said.


So Imams & scholars are NOT Prophets they were just as human as us & of same intelligence level. They had equal tendency to mis-interpret Quran & Hadith. Quran simply says that NO ONE EXCEPT WIFE & slave girl. IT does NOT say anything about "urself". CHASTITY is NOT broken by one's SELF, it's broken if u go to anyone except WIFE & slave girl.

Rather there's a saying that someone asked Prophet(saw) about masturbation & he prohibited him from asking this question again because if ALLAH gave a ruling that might bring difficulty for men.
so in other words this was left for ppl to decide & there's NO strict ruling on this issue. & making something haram is NO "childs-play".

It's like "miswaak"(brushing teeth) in every ablution. Prophet wanted to make it compulsory BUT left it "sunnah"(non-compulsory) only for sake of ease for muslims.

 

[Abdullah al Hanafi]

Once one of 4 imams told his student that washing b/w fingers is NOT required in wuzu & immediately a student brought Hadith mentioning Prophet(saw) washing b/w toes. Imam immediately appologized & changed what he said.


So Imams & scholars are NOT Prophets they were just as human & us & of same intelligence level. They had equal tendency to mis-interpret Quran & Hadith. Quran simply says that NO ONE EXCEPT WIFE & slave girl. IT does NOT say anything about "urself". CHASTITY is NOT broken by one's SELF, it's broken if u go to anyone except WIFE & slave girl.

Rather there's a saying that someone asked Prophet(saw) about masturbation & he prohibited him frm asking this question again because if ALLAH gave a ruling that might bring difficulty for men.
so in other words this was left for ppl to decide & there's NO strict ruling on this issue.

It's like "miswaak"(brushing teeth) in every ablution. Prophet wanted to make it compulsory BUT left it "sunnah"(non-compulsory) only for sake of ease for muslims.

so according to you a non Scholar , all the scholars from the Tabi een and the Tabi Tabi een , from Imam Abu Hanifa till Hassan al Basri till Shaikh ibn Taymeyya till Imam ibn Abdul Wahab till Ibn Baaz , all these noble scholars misinterpetated because you a non scholar doesnt agree with them.

then again raises my question :
1.have you studied Aqeedah
2.have you studied Shariaa
3.have you studied Fiqh
4.Uloom al Hadith

if ''yes''

under wich shaikhs and wich academy/university

if ''no'' then how can you ''judge'' or pass a fatwa while you never studied or memorized all hadiths you are not an Haafiz , you never studied Tafseer from the scholars,

prophet adviced people that were unmarried : to fast and too guard their private parts

if Masturbation was allowed : then the prophet would adviced us to do so and so.

anyway akhi if you agree with me or the scholars or not , its up to you , may Allah protect you , greetings your brother Abdullah

 

[Papersock]

Most people do it as it is a natural activity, so why is it so wrong in the eyes of some Christians. I would much prefer teenagers to masturbate to eleviate sexual frustration than to jump into bed with someone before they are emotionally ready to do so.

Trying to suppress one's natural urge to pleasure oneself, providing it is done in private, is psychologically damaging, imo!

My parents gave me this book a couple of years ago, Every Young Man's Battle. Apparently masturbation is wrong because it is a lustful act that causes us to have impure thoughts and to get addicted to pornography. So I guess that's why some Christians think it is wrong.

 

[Smoke]

Every Young Man's Battle. Apparently masturbation is wrong because it is a lustful act that causes us to have impure thoughts and to get addicted to pornography. So I guess that's why some Christians think it is wrong.

I've never seen pornography that was as good as my own imagination.

To me, it's a silly issue. Everybody does it, and nobody's hurt by it, so why allow your religion to make you feel guilty about it?

 

[Melissa G]

Everybody should masturbate at least four or five times a week, even if your having a relationship, it's still most enjoyable. I've never understood people who think it's wrong.

Melissa G

 

[Mike182]

Once one of 4 imams told his student that washing b/w fingers is NOT required in wuzu & immediately a student brought Hadith mentioning Prophet(saw) washing b/w toes. Imam immediately appologized & changed what he said.


So Imams & scholars are NOT Prophets they were just as human as us & of same intelligence level. They had equal tendency to mis-interpret Quran & Hadith. Quran simply says that NO ONE EXCEPT WIFE & slave girl. IT does NOT say anything about "urself". CHASTITY is NOT broken by one's SELF, it's broken if u go to anyone except WIFE & slave girl.

Rather there's a saying that someone asked Prophet(saw) about masturbation & he prohibited him from asking this question again because if ALLAH gave a ruling that might bring difficulty for men.
so in other words this was left for ppl to decide & there's NO strict ruling on this issue. & making something haram is NO "childs-play".

It's like "miswaak"(brushing teeth) in every ablution. Prophet wanted to make it compulsory BUT left it "sunnah"(non-compulsory) only for sake of ease for muslims.

the bit i highlighted in red, am i reading that right? you can have sex with your wife and your slave girl, but not masturbate? i would have thought sex with a slave girl is a lot worse than masturbating.

 

[ChristineES]

We get into debates like this all the time on the Christian forums, and I can say by those, most people who are Christians are not against it. There are some who think it is wrong, but that is their view and it should not worry you. It is a very private thing and if they don't know about it, they won't be hurt.
There is nothing in the Bible about it whatsoever that I can tell.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

Guys it's all about the POV's of people...regarding Islam, some scholars thought it was forbiddin, others not..

So, the logical judgment would be by means of science..

And scientific issues mention some dangers that could be associated with masturbations..

The least one would be the exhaustion of the nervous system....Others could range depending on how you masturbate...some people really use harmful methods for so..

 

[ChristineES]

Guys it's all about the POV's of people...regarding Islam, some scholars thought it was forbiddin, others not..

So, the logical judgment would be by means of science..

And scientific issues mention some dangers that could be associated with masturbations..

The least one would be the exhaustion of the nervous system....Others could range depending on how you masturbate...some people really use harmful methods for so..

But really, you can say that about almost any activity-- Even eating.

 

[logician]

W/O the concepts of sin and confession, the Catholic church would have to close its doors.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

But really, you can say that about almost any activity-- Even eating.

Exactly....Didnt deny that

But probability talking, masturbation's risks are more probable than eating ones

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

But probability talking, masturbation's risks are more probable than eating ones

The risks of eating are so great that they now teach the Heimlich maneuver in first aid classes to partly combat them. I've never heard of any sort of need for new first aid techniques to stop masturbation-related threats to life and limb.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

The risks of eating are so great that they now teach the Heimlich maneuver in first aid classes to partly combat them. I've never heard of any sort of need for new first aid techniques to stop masturbation-related threats to life and limb.

You dont know though!