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Macron Defeats Le Pen to Win Second Term
- Thread starter Debater Slayer
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That's good news.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Just drop it. This rampant voter fraud nonsense is just as real as the Easter Bunny or Freddy Kruger. But to go on about it regarding another country? You may as well profess an unwavering belief in the existence of Grendel and the Balrog and Darth Vader.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Sucks to be French.
Dites ça aux toasts ou aux frites.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
You have to show ID in America as well. And there were no serious disputes to the election, only clowns running around who are deathly frightened of their own shadow.
But congrats on making La Pen a twice rejected stinky **** nugget.
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Voter identification costs are minimal but provide increased confidence in the results. If, as you say, there isn’t rampant voter fraud it would still be of value. If you are wrong it eliminates potential voter fraud. IOW there are many good reasons to have voter identification. Opposing voter identification only helps those that benefit from uncertainty.
This statement is factually incorrect. When voting by mail there is no mechanism for showing voter identification.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
They seem to have their priorities better straightened out than America.
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NArdas
Member
It could have been a historic win for biological women, the first female president of France, unfortunate that the patriarchy still has it's clammy grasp on politics in France.
Those that prefer Macron can take joy in the result. However they might want to temper that joy. Le Pen got over 40% of the vote. That shouldn’t be ignored. Plus this is 10% more than last time. It is also twice what her father got when he ran. In other words, the trend is not good. Plus it is an indicator that her party may do strongly in the upcoming legislative elections in June. If her party does well enough in those elections Macron’s victory may be pyrrhic. He would face a legislature difficult to deal with.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Not showing, but:
"Arkansas requires a copy of the voter’s ID to be returned with the absentee/mail ballot. And Georgia requires the voter’s driver’s license number or state identification card number, which is compared with the voter’s registration record. Note: Minnesota and Ohio also require this information, though Minnesota also requires a witness signature, and Ohio conducts signature verification."
Table 14: How States Verify Voted Absentee/Mail Ballots
Orbit
I'm a planet
Voter fraud isn't a problem in the US. All voter ID does is disenfranchise the poor, who move frequently and whose addresses on their ID won't match the address on the voter roll, preventing them from voting.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
I think a Macron victory was basically a guarantee against Le Pen! As notoriously (well known) leftist and liberal as France has been in the 19th, 20th, and 21st century, I'm amazed that Le Pen has done a fraction of as well as she has, in a country with that reputation.
In the 20th century, when far right regimes got control of Germany, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Italy, and Spain, I read that the most common country liberals and leftists from those nations fled to, was France.
And France just has a modern history, that makes me surprised someone like Le Pen, in the 21st century France, could get nearly as popular as she has become!
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
What? No! It is fake news. They moved the ballots at night when a water main broke. They allowed illegals to vote. Um Um, we have sworn affidavits.
le gars de l'oreiller?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That and several other factors. Many of them do not live close to places where they can renew ID and without a car it can easily take an entire day. Something that they can ill afford.
I can see that requiring someone to register use ID when they first register, but that should be good as long as they live in that state. This last election had more security and more investigations into it and almost all of the totally insignificant cheating came from Trump; supporters.
I think Le Pen and Hillary Clinton might want to set their differences aside and consider establishing a club for unelectable political failures. They could even give each other ideas for what or who to blame for their consecutive losses aside from themselves.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Oui, oui!!