Brian2
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I appreciate, therefore I am.
We are no more than thought bubbles that come and go as chemicals in our brain interact.
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I appreciate, therefore I am.
Correct. Our senses are limited and we often process the information incorrectly.Concepts are real physical processes in our brain. OK
We perceive beauty. But beauty is just a subjective judgement that we make about something. OK
We perceive love. Similarly just a subjective judgement and label we put on feelings we have or of the actions we or others might do. OK
We perceive a car, and a car is genuinely real imo but of course our perception does not match the actual car.
No, we perceive that we are conscious. Who does that? We do.We perceive consciousness. This is more tricky. Who perceives consciousness?
Maybe it is this consciousness that perceives everything else and we (that is this consciousness) calls itself "I" and defines itself according to thoughts, feelings, experiences, family history etc that somehow it remembers.
But really all this consciousness is fleeting and comes and goes with the chemical reactions in our brain in what we call our life.
OK
People find meaning in very different ways. Some people like the ritual of religions as well as the social aspect.I can see that it would bring in that question with people who have assumed that science, the study of the physical, has told the whole story and there really is nothing else.
Is this assumption something you want to say is not an assumption, but is reality? Or do you want to believe in god and want to know how?
Yes there is that benefit, especially if one sees theories in science as facts,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, even before they have been fully shown to be true. But we all do that with science, and some more than others, especially if they do not believe in a God and there is no alternative than abiogenesis and naturalistic evolution.
But the way science is presented at times does make it look like the only show in town worth watching.
You could have looked these up yourself, but you're steadily convincing me you don't actually read the bible ─
Jesus ascends from Bethany (on the Mount of Olives close to Jerusalem) Luke 24:50.
Jesus ascends from Jerusalem ─ Acts 1:4, 1:9.
Jesus ascends from Galilee ─ Mark 16:7, 16:19; Matthew 28:16.
All the detail you need is set out above.
Except that evolution had been happening on planet Earth for more than three billion years before God was around.
Yes, but to be rational one has to realize that there is no evidence for that belief.
" Theory as fact" is such lamebrainYes there is that benefit, especially if one sees theories in science as facts,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, even before they have been fully shown to be true. But we all do that with science, and some more than others, especially if they do not believe in a God and there is no alternative than abiogenesis and naturalistic evolution.
But the way science is presented at times does make it look like the only show in town worth watching.
Naturally we are not talking about natural, normal circumstances with Mary. But then one would have to look at a man being composed from the ground as an adult (Adam) and a female coming from Adam's rib. With God, all things are possible.
Yes, I should have used the phrase "reliable evidence". Subjective evidence is pretty much garbage. Even those that rely on it know this. That is why those relying on subjective evidence almost never post it. After all, no one likes to be laughed at.Yes and no.
There is subjective evidence for the existence of God and so in that way there is evidence for God's involvement in abiogenesis and evolution.
But of course abiogenesis has not been shown to be possible.
And if the problems get resolved that does not mean that is evidence that it happened without God,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, just to be rational about it.
You may be confused a bit. Theories explain facts. The theory of evolution explains the fact of evolution just as the theory of gravity explains gravity. As @Polymath257 just pointed out, some sort of abiogenesis occurred on the Earth. The various hypotheses of abiogenesis currently attempt to explain that fact. There is no full or complete explanation yet. That is why it is still in the hypothetical stage. Even if we get answers for all of the steps it may still be hypothetical. Not because it did not happen. But rather because scientists have found more than one answer on how certain steps could have occurred.Yes there is that benefit, especially if one sees theories in science as facts,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, even before they have been fully shown to be true. But we all do that with science, and some more than others, especially if they do not believe in a God and there is no alternative than abiogenesis and naturalistic evolution.
But the way science is presented at times does make it look like the only show in town worth watching.
Jesus was the first transman.I would point out that with parthenogenesis, the offspring of Mary would be female.
Quote me the part where Paul's Jesus ascends to heaven.Acts 1:12 Then the apostles returned to Jerusalem from the hill called the Mount of Olives, a Sabbath day’s walk[c] from the city.
Mark 16:9-20 is considered a later addition and is not included these days in Bible translations or is in itallics and with a footnote about it.
It is easy to see the summary nature of the addition. It does not say where the ascension took place however and does not say many things.
Matt 28:16-28 doesn't tell us about the other times Jesus met with His disciples after the resurrection but does say about His meeting them on a certain mountain in Galilee, and what He told them. However it says nothing about Jesus ascending to heaven from this mountain.
And abiogenesis happened before that. But abiogenesis is chemical evolution I suppose.................. and the evolution of life is just chemical evolution also of course.
There is subjective evidence for the existence of God and so in that way there is evidence for God's involvement in abiogenesis and evolution.
But of course abiogenesis has not been shown to be possible.
And if the problems get resolved that does not mean that is evidence that it happened without God,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, just to be rational about it.
And abiogenesis happened before that. But abiogenesis is chemical evolution I suppose.................. and the evolution of life is just chemical evolution also of course.
There is subjective evidence for the existence of God and so in that way there is evidence for God's involvement in abiogenesis and evolution.
But of course abiogenesis has not been shown to be possible.
And if the problems get resolved that does not mean that is evidence that it happened without God,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, just to be rational about it.
The thing is some people believe in the power of God. You probably don't believe God actually created (made) the chromosomal structure. Please do not misunderstand, because while I firmly believe that God created the mechanisms moving life, it certainly is true that He permits things to happen now that are not protected by Him. I won't go into detail now. Since He is the Originator of life (the Lifegiver), or perhaps life enabler, He can do as He wills upon occasion. Rather than just let things happen. And cause Mary's body to form an embryo as without having had sexual intercourse. I am pretty certain that those who believe in evolution as true and absolute as the means of all lifeforms will say that the Bible is filled with myths and lies. I've noticed they don't like to expose their real viewpoints about religion, or their avowed religion.The thing is that there are no unnatural and supernatural circumstances in this world.
The supernatural, the paranormal, the unnatural, are all myths, unreal or surreal imaginations or fantasies, false beliefs, no better than fairytales...because THEY DON’T EXIST IN NATURE.
If you want to believe in something that don’t exist in nature, then that’s your problem, and your prerogative, as you are free to believe whatever nonsense you want to believe, which would include creation of Adam and Eve, and that of Mary’s unrealistic conception and pregnancy.
If you even have quota of knowledge of human biology, that conception isn’t possible with unfertilized egg.
- In nature, you cannot human from dust.
- And in nature, if you were to create another human from the original’s rib, you would create another man, not a woman. So Eve should be just a copy of Adam.
- And in nature, the only parthenogenesis being possible, and that cannot possibly happen with Mary, because Mary isn’t a plant, insect, fish, amphibian, reptile or a bird. No mammals have been known to naturally reproduce through parthenogenesis.
If you have study biology at all, the cells in human body, each contained 46 chromosomes, or 23 pairs.
But during sexual intercourse, the two gamete cells - the sperm and the egg (or ovum), will only have each 23 chromosomes.
It is only when the egg is fertilized by the sperm, that a single cell will form - the zygote - will have all 46 chromosomes.
If Mary didn’t have the egg fertilized by the sperm, then her egg (the gamete) will only have 23 chromosomes. Now I am no expert in biology, but if I am right, those missing chromosomes would result in either death or deformity of any offspring.
If someone with better understanding than me in human biology, can correct me in regarding to my assumption the missing chromosomes will result severe deformities or death.
How many times does it need to be explained to you that there's a difference between not believing in a thing and claiming that thing doesn't exist?
Please take in this information and retain it. It would make discussions with you a whole lot easier.
So you can't detect it in any way, but you know it's there??
Please explain that.
I used to believe that God did not exist as I grew into aduIthood and saw nothing in the world that impelled me to believe in God. But now I believe He does exist.Some people do believe that God does not exist. They of course are willing to change their mind if needs be.
Well, to us, they exist. Otherwise, it is a very old question persisting through many millenniums as to what exists and what not.
But talking of absolute truth, nothing exists other than the basic building block of the universe, 'physical energy' aka Brahman.
Our books say, "Eko sad, dwiteeyo nasti" (What exists is one, there is no second).