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? Where do you come up with this stuff?Well its just the middle of the video is about professors. It won't be any confusing matter at all. About half of them are interested in their moral impression put out on their students, I mean an elevated personality. Symptoms include not having a laser pen for their powerpoints. Half of those got some sort of search-their-students-soul syndrome. Half of them got to get with their Provost on how to keep teaching soulless wretches.
? Where do you come up with this stuff?
You didn't go to college did you?
During the current presidential administration I think so. In the vid he makes a point at the end that the Democrats also have opposed free speech occasionally and that he is frustrated with them over it. I've seen it from both parties. In the current administration yes, I think its the Reps.Is this guy right? Republicans hate the 1A more than Democrats?
Definitely in this administration, but I would also say that such hypocrisy in the Repubs’ efforts (knowing or witless) to dismantle our experiment in democracy has been continuously building, ever since Rush Limbaugh left sports broadcasting and Ronald Reagan became POTUS. Trump is just a terminal symptom of the rot.During the current presidential administration I think so. In the vid he makes a point at the end that the Democrats also have opposed free speech occasionally and that he is frustrated with them over it. I've seen it from both parties. In the current administration yes, I think its the Reps.
I agree most colleges have a left bias. However, I have not seen any colleges where there is not a conservative or libertarian presence in both professors and students. Perhaps at small liberal arts colleges like reed or evergreen, but even there i bet we would find plenty of libertariansDunno if s/he has, but I have. four different ones. I have several degrees. The only college I have attended that was NOT tilted so far to the left that they were in danger of floating off the San Francisco docks was an online university where the only interaction I had was in the preprogrammed courses themselves, and even they were ever so gently shoved left, when the topic was about sociology, culture or the actual teaching of kids.
.....and since I didn't go back to college for those degrees until after I was fifty, you can't accuse me of being a mind numbed typical college student. In two of those colleges, the only reason I wasn't thrown out of class was because I was older than the professor and wouldn't put up with the crap s/he was trying to peddle. I flat out told one statistics teacher that the questions on her survey were too subjective and biased left to be useful, and wrote my own. She gave me an F for that assignment. I appealed...and for the next five years it was MY questions which were used as an example of how to write survey questions.
You are too quick to take the actions of some and paint them on the actions of all. Plenty protest without violating any assault and battery laws.I had to stop watching that video when he got to the 'they protest speeches' bit. THEY DON'T JUST PROTEST SPEECHES. They threaten speakers. they cancel invitations. They refuse to allow conservative speakers on their campuses. This guy is throwing out percentages of Republicans who don't like this thing or that thing....and he's probably right.
But I notice that he hasn't given us any percentages of Democrats who want 'hate speech' made illegal, who sue for 'micro aggression,' who have NO problems with those college students who destroy the cars of conservative speakers who show up for speech engagements that they have been 'disinvited' to.....generally the excuse for the 'disinvitation' is concern for the safety of the speaker, btw.
The big difference that I saw...and still see...is the length to which the left will go to protest and go against the freedom of speech of anybody who disagrees with them. If it were simply signs and boos at the speeches, fine. Conservatives do that to liberals, too. But it's not.
It's physical threats. It's people attacking octogenarians for wearing MAGA hats. It's colleges attempting to put a bakery out of business for holding a couple of shoplifters for the police....because the shoplifters were black. It's destroying entire city parks, defacing and defecating upon police cars and doing other serious public harm. Protesting police action? Fine...but it's not just yelling, is it? It's throwing things at them. threatening harm. interfering with them as they attempt to do their jobs.
Nope that is you stuffing a strawman.Seems to me that you guys want it all your way. the Conservatives MUST NOT have a problem with YOUR ability to do and say whatever you want, no matter what damage you cause, but WE have to agree with you in all things, or be subject to damage.
Be mad or protest, but do not try to enact laws against speech.Should one be free to burn the American Flag? Yes. Should those who hold the American Flag as a symbol and think it should not be burned be mad about it? yes. Should one be free to protest during the Pledge of Allegiance? Sure. Should those who think that this attitude is wrong protest in return? Absolutely.
More straw.It seems to me that you guys think that the First amendment is to ensure the ability of everybody to agree with you.
When in reality, it is to ensure the ability to speak of those who do NOT agree with you. Liberals are not punished for using their power to coerce students into agreeing with their political points of view, no matter what this guy claims. You know that dean of students at Oberlin who almost single handedly cost the university forty four million bucks because she was so involved in attempting to destroy that bakery referred to in this post?
She still has her job.
Enough said.
How are you defining a college tilting to the left? The students on the campus or the teachers? What?Dunno if s/he has, but I have. four different ones. I have several degrees. The only college I have attended that was NOT tilted so far to the left that they were in danger of floating off the San Francisco docks was an online university.
Ugh. .. but … I'm so tired of this fake alt right thing... Donald Trump was never actually president. this weird conspiracy alt right would have 3 bored people... Sounds like you have an opinion for your professors or something? Hey I just had clarifying questions with hand raised and they still get to cancel the entire class for "security".Dunno if s/he has, but I have. four different ones. I have several degrees. The only college I have attended that was NOT tilted so far to the left that they were in danger of floating off the San Francisco docks was an online university where the only interaction I had was in the preprogrammed courses themselves, and even they were ever so gently shoved left, when the topic was about sociology, culture or the actual teaching of kids.
.....and since I didn't go back to college for those degrees until after I was fifty, you can't accuse me of being a mind numbed typical college student. In two of those colleges, the only reason I wasn't thrown out of class was because I was older than the professor and wouldn't put up with the crap s/he was trying to peddle. I flat out told one statistics teacher that the questions on her survey were too subjective and biased left to be useful, and wrote my own. She gave me an F for that assignment. I appealed...and for the next five years it was MY questions which were used as an example of how to write survey questions.
I had to stop watching that video when he got to the 'they protest speeches' bit. THEY DON'T JUST PROTEST SPEECHES. They threaten speakers. they cancel invitations. They refuse to allow conservative speakers on their campuses. This guy is throwing out percentages of Republicans who don't like this thing or that thing....and he's probably right.
But I notice that he hasn't given us any percentages of Democrats who want 'hate speech' made illegal, who sue for 'micro aggression,' who have NO problems with those college students who destroy the cars of conservative speakers who show up for speech engagements that they have been 'disinvited' to.....generally the excuse for the 'disinvitation' is concern for the safety of the speaker, btw.
The big difference that I saw...and still see...is the length to which the left will go to protest and go against the freedom of speech of anybody who disagrees with them. If it were simply signs and boos at the speeches, fine. Conservatives do that to liberals, too. But it's not.
It's physical threats. It's people attacking octogenarians for wearing MAGA hats. It's colleges attempting to put a bakery out of business for holding a couple of shoplifters for the police....because the shoplifters were black. It's destroying entire city parks, defacing and defecating upon police cars and doing other serious public harm. Protesting police action? Fine...but it's not just yelling, is it? It's throwing things at them. threatening harm. interfering with them as they attempt to do their jobs.
Seems to me that you guys want it all your way. the Conservatives MUST NOT have a problem with YOUR ability to do and say whatever you want, no matter what damage you cause, but WE have to agree with you in all things, or be subject to damage.
Should one be free to burn the American Flag? Yes. Should those who hold the American Flag as a symbol and think it should not be burned be mad about it? yes. Should one be free to protest during the Pledge of Allegiance? Sure. Should those who think that this attitude is wrong protest in return? Absolutely.
It seems to me that you guys think that the First amendment is to ensure the ability of everybody to agree with you.
When in reality, it is to ensure the ability to speak of those who do NOT agree with you. Liberals are not punished for using their power to coerce students into agreeing with their political points of view, no matter what this guy claims. You know that dean of students at Oberlin who almost single handedly cost the university forty four million bucks because she was so involved in attempting to destroy that bakery referred to in this post?
She still has her job.
Enough said.
I agree most colleges have a left bias. However, I have not seen any colleges where there is not a conservative or libertarian presence in both professors and students. Perhaps at small liberal arts colleges like reed or evergreen, but even there i bet we would find plenty of libertarians
You are too quick to take the actions of some and paint them on the actions of all. Plenty protest without violating any assault and battery laws.
Nope that is you stuffing a strawman.
Be mad or protest, but do not try to enact laws against speech.
More straw.
This is too big of a statement to be held up by this.
So no, not enough said.
You honestly believe that some free speech (boycotts) is equivalent to a felony (extortion) without any compelling government interest. Thus it follows if you believe that felonies should be punished by law, you believe some free speech should be punished by law without any compelling government interest. You are not a defender of free speech.
The left doesn't whine and cry about it?How are you defining a college tilting to the left? The students on the campus or the teachers? What?
If you think it's the teachers, how would you even know what their political leanings are?
America has a left bias, are you surprised that's in our schools too?
If you watched the video, he pointed out that when professors get reprimanded for hate speech by a college, it's usually a left leaning professor. So the argument should be, "why are colleges cracking down on liberals and letting conservative teachers run rampant?!"
The left doesn't whine and cry about it.
Ugh. .. but … I'm so tired of this fake alt right thing... Donald Trump was never actually president. this weird conspiracy alt right would have 3 bored people... Sounds like you have an opinion for your professors or something? Hey I just had clarifying questions with hand raised and they still get to cancel the entire class for "security".
I am not sure what you are rallying about here. But it is not extortion for a group of townspeople to engage in civic discourse about the type of establishment they want in their community and to engage in a boycott to shape their communities toward their political desires.Not all extortion is a felony, obviously. 'felony' isn't even included in the definition of extortion, which is: obtaining, or attempting to gain, something of value through threats of physical violence or financial harm, or harm to the reputation.
In NO definition of 'extortion,' is there a REQUIREMENT that it be a felony. It can be treated as one, and should be treated as a felony in certain circumstances...circumstances that I have very carefully and rather narrowly described.
Boycotts are NOT free speech, Ever. They are, at most, an attempt to eliminate someone else's free speech.
It's why I'm against them.
Analogy: you have a business in a very conservative, one religion town, on their main street. Everybody else goes to the little Evangelical church on the corner. They have a Christmas parade with a Nativity float. Their school provides space for religious classes...not taught by the paid teachers, but by local religious leaders after school or before it, but on school grounds to those kids whose parents want it.
But this little business is owned by a couple of young gay atheists (who, given what I just wrote above, have to be either the bravest couple of people, or the dumbest, in the world) who opened a tattoo parlor. Now, their neighbors don't LIKE the business, and grumble, but the young gay couple did something really impossible. They advertise "F*** Trump" temporary tattoos in their front window, along with a sign saying that they work on people wearing MAGA hats or who otherwise supported Trump. (Such a business actually exists, btw...it's not a tattoo parlor, but it very much exists)
Oh, my.
Do they have the right to their political opinions? Do they have the right to put the "F Trump' ads up and refuse to work on Trump supporters? Are they exercising their freedom of speech?
I think they are.
So what do you think the neighbors should do?
They can object, demonstrate, carry signs, attempt to get a tattoo while wearing a MAGA hat and sue for discrimination (well, that works when the tables are turned and the business is refusing to serve a gay couple...why not this? ) Is this free speech? I think so.
Or they can boycott; attempt to run the business out of town by seeing to it that it doesn't do ANY business. Either that, or they can force that business to take down the sign, change their policy, put up "MAGA" tattoos, put a sign outside their door welcoming all political opinions, and apologize for having an opinion different from the mainstream in their area. Is that free speech...or an attempt to shut down the first amendment rights of the business?
I think it's the second.
When one attempts to coerce someone to abandon his right to free speech by threatening to do financial harm, to shut down his business if he doesn't toe the 'correct' line, it CROSSES that line from freedom to speak YOUR mind to forcing someone else to shut up.
And I'm against it.
Boycotts are extortion. They are an attempt to take away someone else's right to free speech by force. I am absolutely amazed that you all don't GET that.
Ya, ya, diversity, ya , ya. What did you all do to it, ya ya. Seems like I'm moving big dollars positively, never stare down anybody for anything, diversity has a dozen cursewords, that's nneither here nor there, diversity gets to extort through 'harassment' definition, cops, and physical assault.Not all extortion is a felony, obviously. 'felony' isn't even included in the definition of extortion, which is: obtaining, or attempting to gain, something of value through threats of physical violence or financial harm, or harm to the reputation.
In NO definition of 'extortion,' is there a REQUIREMENT that it be a felony. It can be treated as one, and should be treated as a felony in certain circumstances...circumstances that I have very carefully and rather narrowly described.
Boycotts are NOT free speech, Ever. They are, at most, an attempt to eliminate someone else's free speech.
It's why I'm against them.
Analogy: you have a business in a very conservative, one religion town, on their main street. Everybody else goes to the little Evangelical church on the corner. They have a Christmas parade with a Nativity float. Their school provides space for religious classes...not taught by the paid teachers, but by local religious leaders after school or before it, but on school grounds to those kids whose parents want it.
But this little business is owned by a couple of young gay atheists (who, given what I just wrote above, have to be either the bravest couple of people, or the dumbest, in the world) who opened a tattoo parlor. Now, their neighbors don't LIKE the business, and grumble, but the young gay couple did something really impossible. They advertise "F*** Trump" temporary tattoos in their front window, along with a sign saying that they work on people wearing MAGA hats or who otherwise supported Trump. (Such a business actually exists, btw...it's not a tattoo parlor, but it very much exists)
Oh, my.
Do they have the right to their political opinions? Do they have the right to put the "F Trump' ads up and refuse to work on Trump supporters? Are they exercising their freedom of speech?
I think they are.
So what do you think the neighbors should do?
They can object, demonstrate, carry signs, attempt to get a tattoo while wearing a MAGA hat and sue for discrimination (well, that works when the tables are turned and the business is refusing to serve a gay couple...why not this? ) Is this free speech? I think so.
Or they can boycott; attempt to run the business out of town by seeing to it that it doesn't do ANY business. Either that, or they can force that business to take down the sign, change their policy, put up "MAGA" tattoos, put a sign outside their door welcoming all political opinions, and apologize for having an opinion different from the mainstream in their area. Is that free speech...or an attempt to shut down the first amendment rights of the business?
I think it's the second.
When one attempts to coerce someone to abandon his right to free speech by threatening to do financial harm, to shut down his business if he doesn't toe the 'correct' line, it CROSSES that line from freedom to speak YOUR mind to forcing someone else to shut up.
And I'm against it.
Boycotts are extortion. They are an attempt to take away someone else's right to free speech by force. I am absolutely amazed that you all don't GET that.
Everybody has their own version. Several of the classmates were openly proudly 'drunk' and that they were 'there'. And the whole class was set on a tinderbox of fragile uncertainty with the only glue around some novice 2nd year professor trying to look amazing with an ego, 'you'll be armed and dangerous'. To me, the whole class is an autism nightmare, now do I have even very Minor autism, of Course not! Anyway the universal standard excitement level, standard behavior for a "Student" toward a "class" and a "professor" literally has some downward spiral effect. I Did raise a hand and have a real curious question "does he teach his grandmother the same way?" . I don't know, pretty soon, some student wrote in said they were scared about "Me", I'd say that either way. I did put my head on my desk a few times, I should have sat in the back.I admit. I am confused.
As for you having clarifying questions with your hand raised....exactly what sort of questions WERE they? I've been in a great many classes with many students asking clarifying questions. None of them have been 'canceled for security."
I have this vision of the 'clarifying questions' being along the lines of "well, isn't knocking the hat off of an eighty year old if you don't like the MAGA political message on the hat a good thing?" or "if I use my raised hand to grab the "p...y hat off my neighbor, would that be a problem?" or "what if I threw a rock through the classroom window with a message wrapped around it saying that Rush Limbaugh has no business setting foot on campus, never mind giving a commencement speech," would that be considered 'freedom of speech?" or "what if I hit you over the head with my "MAGA" poster, would that be wrong?"
My version of 'clarifying questions' were all along the line of "Hasn't anybody figured out the name of the 'Pearl Poet,'" or "is there a reason you prefer Tolkien's translation of Beowulf rather than that of Seamus Heaney? Heaney is funnier." Or, if you wanted to get REALLY controversial, "so, you are saying that the water based economy of the early south Americans is similar to that of the early Egyptions, even though the climates were so vastly different; is there a specific reason for that?"