Leftist Nannyism continues in the People's Republic of New York

[Shadow Wolf]

Frozen pizza boxes I found work pretty good as replacements for bags if you aren't getting much but too much to easily carry around in your hands. Just hold it out, Tetris build everything on top of it, and you won't even need a cart.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I do see things for what they really are though.

You've claimed this has nothing to do with the environment, and stated plastic is a "natural resource."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm much more for education and setting examples than legalism because it's more contagious and less damaging overall.

Evidence? I see no damage here as a result, and don't hear people complaining about it (and people complain a lot about many things about the state).

 

[sayak83]

I wouldn't go that far. I do see things for what they really are though.

No one , and I mean nobody can effectively practice morality and environmental stewardship without causing great damage. Remember the adage that the road to hell is oftentimes paved with good intentions.

I'm much more for education and setting examples than legalism because it's more contagious and less damaging overall.

I believe otherwise. Having laws that prevent harm to environment and future generations is as important as having them to prevent harm to those who live today.

 

[Augustus]

I rest my case.

Congratulations O' superior one. Do you want me to roll out the red carpet for you or the Velvet one?

Red one of course, it's communist!

Do you see anti-littering laws as communist too btw?

When someone is so fuelled by Liberal Derangement Syndrome and ideological hatred that they erupt in a self-righteous fury because the adoption of a policy which has been introduced in 90 odd countries across the world by both right, centre and left wing parties is a communist conspiracy, it really is quite funny.

It is doubly funny given your insistence that liberals are all whiny cry-babies who think the world owes them whatever their heart desires.

It is a quite remarkable feat of mental gymnastics to believe your personal desire to avoid a tiny personal inconvenience at the expense of significant environmental harm actually signifies that you are completely free of a sense of entitlement.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's a nice sentiment, but hardly realistic.

"It is the struggle itself that is most important. We must strive to be more than we are. It does not matter that we will not reach our ultimate goal. The effort itself yields its own reward." - Data

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Your desire for freedom from moral constraints is immoral and narcissitic.
What sort of a Buddhist are you?

TIL America has "prosperity Buddhists", held in similar regard by actual Buddhists as American "prosperity Christians" are by actual Christians.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Evidence? I see no damage here as a result, and don't hear people complaining about it (and people complain a lot about many things about the state).

Again the Socialist left never ever does things like impact studies, or examining the issue more closely before putting their socialist jackboots on and happily stepping on people's throats to force them to comply with the moral high superior ground that they love to dwell on while looking down on whomever they think are insignificant in comparison to themselves as they pat each other on the back for their great wonderful ideas.

Fortunately , there are people around who do think things through, and carefully examine how one action will impact another. Call it karma or cause and effect I don't care which.

Banning Straws and Bags Won’t Solve our Plastic Problem | World Resources Institute

 

[Twilight Hue]

"It is the struggle itself that is most important. We must strive to be more than we are. It does not matter that we will not reach our ultimate goal. The effort itself yields its own reward." - Data

Then you have to actually think before you do rather than recklessly knee-jerk here and there.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You've claimed this has nothing to do with the environment, and stated plastic is a "natural resource."

Everything is a natural resource given we are an aspect of nature itself.

What people need to do rather than banning things like crazy, is finding ways to properly establish incentives and proactive solutions through voluntary compliance. Not compulsory.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Fortunately , there are people around who do think things through, and carefully examine how one action will impact another. Call it karma or cause and effect I don't care which.

Banning Straws and Bags Won’t Solve our Plastic Problem | World Resources Institute

Do you realize your source says we need more government action and policy, don't you?

Then you have to actually think before you do rather than recklessly knee-jerk here and there.

Such as claiming this is a Left Communist conspiracy to control the masses?

 

[Augustus]

Banning Straws and Bags Won’t Solve our Plastic Problem | World Resources Institute

Who claims it is going to 'solve' the plastics problem?

The article also notes that it doesn't calculate the environmental impact of plastic pollution, which is the main reason for restricting use of plastic bags.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Everything is a natural resource given we are an aspect of nature itself.

If that were the case, words such as "artificial," "man-made," and "synthetic" would be meaningless and useless.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Again the Socialist left never ever does things like impact studies,

Says the guy supporting climate change deniers...

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What people need to do rather than banning things like crazy, is finding ways to properly establish incentives and proactive solutions through voluntary compliance. Not compulsory.

According to your source one town did it to help reduce beach clutter. In the case of NY and California, it's not even compulsory as you still have the option to acquire your preciously desired plastic bag. But, as basic Capitalist theory suggests, once you pay for that bag you begin to ponder if you really need or not, what it's worth to you, and you consider when you actually need one or not. Unless you stock up or have a bunch of places to go, you actually really don't need them that often. Pay for them, and quickly you'll realize just how much of a useless waste they are. It sounds shocking at first, but it's probably one of the most minor, insignificant, and unnoticed changes you'll make in life (you'll be so busy fretting over your stock portfolio that you'll end up forgetting to complain about there being no more free plastic bags).

 

[SomeRandom]

Maybe some people like plastic other than self entitled individuals with a royalty complex who think their way is always going to be superior and enjoy the sight of seeing other people forced into their self-absorbed view on how people must live and do things.

Self entitled? As you complain about phasing out free one use plastic bags and have to pay a whole 5c for one you can use for at least a couple of years. Oh poor you, you can’t waste as much plastic as you would like? My heart breaks.
Come on, you’re acting like a special snowflake.

 

[Rival]

Imagine thinking it superior to not cause needless pollution, damage to wildlife, make nature less beautiful while also reducing the amount of plastics entering the food chain damaging the health of humans and other animals!

Imagine being entitled to the extent you don't put a very minor personal inconvenience over an objective improvement to our environment and personal health!

Anyway, well done, you have united RF posters from the libertarian right to the socialist left in finding your whiny entitlement somewhat bizarre on such a trivial issue with such clear benefits. Congratulations

Even me, and I always end up in Red Square the red square on the, albeit completely useless, political compass!

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Hopefully that point sinks in. Plastic bags are terrible for the environment, they have an extremely short and limited use span but extremely long life span, and they are so unnecessary and wasteful.

Over here, at Aldi, even in states where plastic bags are the norm, it's normal practice for customers to grab an empty or near empty cardboard box or tray to put their things in. The store doesn't have to dispose of it and the costumer gets something to carry their food in, so for us at least it seems odd to think of it as theft.

Our super markets and box stores pile their empty boxes at the front of the shop for customers to use. No one has to steal them, they very literally give them away. OP's triggered snowflake feefees notwithstanding, reduction, reuse and recycling of packaging is the way of the future, and frankly I can't imagine why anyone without significant shares in a single use plastic bag manufacturer would want anything to be otherwise.

 

[Rival]

What are unsuspecting children going to suffocate themselves with now?

With what are we going to become angry when the handles snap because of heavy bottles?

What will we yell at when we can't separate two?

How are we going to needlessly incorporate more oil into stuff?

What are travel sick people going to use that inevitably has a hole in the bottom?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

frankly I can't imagine why anyone without significant shares in a single use plastic bag manufacturer would want anything to be otherwise.

Silly me. I forgot that "manufacture overwrought ad hoc reasons to take a swipe at the imaginary evil strawman libruls in response to any and every given issue" is a far more important and compelling goal than mere fripperies like the environment and waste reduction.

I mean what has the environment ever done for us? Oh, so Mother Nature needs a favor? Well, maybe she should have thought of that when she was besetting us with droughts and floods and poison monkeys!