Leftist Nannyism continues in the People's Republic of New York

[Twilight Hue]

What choice? The "choice" to get what you get? Even here there is still a choice of paper or plastic. It just costs a bit if you didn't make the choice to bring your own.

Well then there's a choice to remove the ban then. Right?

 

[Twilight Hue]

As was pointed out to you prior, even UTAH and TEXAS are doing it. Red Republican counties and communities are doing it.

Yea...

Right...........

Report: Austin to end its bag ban after Texas Supreme Court ruling

Utah lawmakers may overrule cities’ plastic bag bans

Think again.

Nothing was pointed out to me. Except for the typical Socialist liberal superiority complex.

 

[Valjean]

Besides there's no such thing as free. If you learned a little bit about marketing 101 it's called factoring into the budget. Your version of 'free' is right there when you see the price tag.

Good point. The few cents you save using plastic bags will cost you x dollars in taxes dedicated to ameliorating the environmental and social effects of the plastic production and usage.
Don't forget to include externalities when calculating costs.

At what point do you think harmful "freedoms" should be curbed?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

At what point do you think harmful "freedoms" should be curbed?

That's it! It's my choice and freedom to host a Purge. If you want to take it from me, it's my right and the rules to kill you.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yea...

Right...........

Report: Austin to end its bag ban after Texas Supreme Court ruling

Utah lawmakers may overrule cities’ plastic bag bans

Think again.

Nothing was pointed out to me. Except for the typical Socialist liberal superiority complex.

And yet they can't end those if they weren't enacted. And what of the choice of those cities to keep those bags out or reduce the number of them? Should they not be able to choose to have a city free of plastic bag pollution? That would be democratic, would it not?

 

[We Never Know]

And yet they can't end those if they weren't enacted. And what of the choice of those cities to keep those bags out or reduce the number of them? Should they not be able to choose to have a city free of plastic bag pollution? That would be democratic, would it not?

I dislike plastic bags. My closest neighbour is 2 miles away and on windy days I often find plastic bags blowing around on my property.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I dislike plastic bags. My closest neighbour is 2 miles away and on windy days I often find plastic bags blowing around on my property.

I know. It's not perfect here in California, but I don't miss plastic bags. At all. I don't miss having them, I don't miss seeing them, I don't miss them littering the place. Other than it being just how it's been done for awhile, I truly don't understand why we do bags at the grocery stores like we do. It's nothing to bring your own, so much easier in the long run (nothing sitting around collecting, no rip and spills, and none of them floating around), and now it just seems silly and absurd to have them.
And of course "ban" is rather a misnomer in so many cases, but facts be damned when you want to take my freedom to do dumb destructive things that literally no one will miss once they are gone.

 

[Stevicus]

As was pointed out to you prior, even UTAH and TEXAS are doing it. Red Republican counties and communities are doing it.

Actually, the article linked above says just the opposite:

Legislators in 11 mostly Republican-controlled states have passed preemption legislation. Cities in Arizona, Idaho, Texas, Mississippi, Florida, Indiana, Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan all prohibit local ordinances relating to plastic bags.

“I think everybody agrees that statewide policies would be best, because a patchwork of ordinances doesn’t work for everybody,” Seaholm said.

This year, legislators in North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Utah and West Virginia — all states run by Republican legislatures and Republican governors — are considering implementing new preemption rules.

Texas already bans communities from having ordinances against plastic bags, and Utah is considering similar legislation.

It looks like both sides on this issue are hunkering down and preparing for a fight, but I wonder: Is this really the battle we want to pick? Is it really worth it?

 

[Augustus]

If you bother to do a little basic math , that tends to accumulate into quite a pile of fresh extorted cash

It might even reach the dizzying heights of $5 or even $10 a year for some. For others, $0 per year.

Think about how much evil the commies could do with 250 million times $0 per year!

In case you're interested, NEWS FLASH it just so happens that five ****ing cents is mine, not yours to just compulsorly take from people because suddenly a group of self righteous hin***es happen to feel like doing so during those while enjoying the high-and-mighty moments where they feel they know much better on how people should live their lives and dictate to them how to do it. Major Royalty complex? That's an incredible understatement.

Then don't spend your precious 5c on a plastic bag then. Problem solved. Let freedom ring...

Bye-bye Chairman Mao present emperor of the People's Republic of New York!

You seem to be missing the fact that people of all political persuasions support the policy. I'd hate to be so thoroughly owned by an opposition political group that I saw even the most trivial thing, widely supported across the political spectrum, as a manifestation of great partisan evil that necessitated incorrigible whining, monumental levels of self pity and virulently paranoid conspiratorialism.

On RF, socialists, liberals, centrists, conservatives, libertarians, Christians, Muslims, atheists, Jews, agnostics, Buddhists, etc.: that's a decent enough policy, no big deal.

People in nearly half the countries in the world: meh, no big deal and has plenty of benefits.

Nowhere Man: OMG the reds are coming! THE REDS ARE COMING!!! A world without free plastic bags is a dystopian hell-hole straight from the mind of Uncle Joe and Chairman Mao. Next stop the gulag, genocide and castration of all men!! Free plastic bags are the foundation of Western civilisation! First they came for the free plastic bags, then they harvested our organs to sell to the Chinese!!!!! And non-disposable bags bring PLAGUES too! Biological commie warfare to wipe out us True Patriots!!! Plastics bags also stop the sky from falling on our heads, so we'll all get squashed into little flat discs thanks to the Red Menace. Is that what you want??? Cos that's what'll happen....

 

[Stevicus]

Nowhere Man: OMG the reds are coming! THE REDS ARE COMING!!! A world without free plastic bags is a dystopian hell-hole straight from the mind of Uncle Joe and Chairman Mao. Next stop the gulag, genocide and castration of all men!! Free plastic bags are the foundation of Western civilisation! First they came for the free plastic bags, then they harvested our organs to sell to the Chinese!!!!! And non-disposable bags bring PLAGUES too! Biological commie warfare to wipe out us True Patriots!!! Plastics bags also stop the sky from falling on our heads, so we'll all get squashed into little flat discs thanks to the Red Menace. Is that what you want??? Cos that's what'll happen....

I realize you're being sarcastic, but couldn't the same approach be applied to the other side? After all, who is screaming "the sky is falling" because of some plastic bags? Isn't that raising things to panic level when it's totally unwarranted?

 

[Augustus]

I realize you're being sarcastic, but couldn't the same approach be applied to the other side? After all, who is screaming "the sky is falling" because of some plastic bags? Isn't that raising things to panic level when it's totally unwarranted?

People across the entire political spectrum tend to be saying "Plastic bags cause significant ecological and aesthetic harms which can easily be reduced significantly with little to no downside. So, I think we should do this."

That's fair enough in my opinion.

 

[Stevicus]

People across the entire political spectrum tend to be saying "Plastic bags cause significant ecological and aesthetic harms which can easily be reduced significantly with little to no downside. So, I think we should do this."

That's fair enough in my opinion.

Yes, but if some people aren't too keen on the idea or don't think it really have much of an overall effect on the environment (considering all the other things being done to pollute the world), why go on and on like they're the ones in a panic?

The overall trend that I see in all this (and not just with environmentalism) is that there seems to be a popular notion that "the little people must pay for the sins of the rich and powerful." I don't agree with that approach.

It's just like how some countries have implemented "austerity programs" for decades of mismanagement by those at the very top. Instead of making the rich pay for what they've done, they insist that the penalty "trickle down" to the masses. That is what is wrong here. At the very least, it's like putting the cart before the horse.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It might even reach the dizzying heights of $5 or even $10 a year for some. For others, $0 per year.

Think about how much evil the commies could do with 250 million times $0 per year!



Then don't spend your precious 5c on a plastic bag then. Problem solved. Let freedom ring...



You seem to be missing the fact that people of all political persuasions support the policy. I'd hate to be so thoroughly owned by an opposition political group that I saw even the most trivial thing, widely supported across the political spectrum, as a manifestation of great partisan evil that necessitated incorrigible whining, monumental levels of self pity and virulently paranoid conspiratorialism.

On RF, socialists, liberals, centrists, conservatives, libertarians, Christians, Muslims, atheists, Jews, agnostics, Buddhists, etc.: that's a decent enough policy, no big deal.

People in nearly half the countries in the world: meh, no big deal and has plenty of benefits.

Nowhere Man: OMG the reds are coming! THE REDS ARE COMING!!! A world without free plastic bags is a dystopian hell-hole straight from the mind of Uncle Joe and Chairman Mao. Next stop the gulag, genocide and castration of all men!! Free plastic bags are the foundation of Western civilisation! First they came for the free plastic bags, then they harvested our organs to sell to the Chinese!!!!! And non-disposable bags bring PLAGUES too! Biological commie warfare to wipe out us True Patriots!!! Plastics bags also stop the sky from falling on our heads, so we'll all get squashed into little flat discs thanks to the Red Menace. Is that what you want??? Cos that's what'll happen....

I love the snide Superior air of the response.

And yes, five cents is precious when you consider how much money the People's Republic of New York run by socialist Democrats extorts out of each citizen year after year election after election. But it's just a measly $0.05 on top of a another measly $0.05 and another measly $0.05 and another measly $0.05 ...... for perpetuity.... It's just a measly bit of pocket change right?

For your information the charge is not on plastic bags but for the paper bags. There won't be a single plastic bag available because that's what a plastic bag ban is. NO plastic bags. Let Freedom of choice die. Thanks to the busybody controlling socialist Democrat it has nothing better to do then interrupt people's lives and shake them up for cash.

Start reading up a little better. You might learn something.

 

[Augustus]

Yes, but if some people aren't too keen on the idea or don't think it really have much of an overall effect on the environment (considering all the other things being done to pollute the world), why go on and on like they're the ones in a panic?

Because they have gone on a 14 page rant describing it, vertbatim, as dystopian and akin to Stalinism/Maoism.

 

[Augustus]

I love the snide Superior air of the response.

The complete absence of self-awareness really is quite astounding.

For your information the charge is not on plastic bags but for the paper bags. There won't be a single plastic bag available because that's what a plastic bag ban is. NO plastic bags. Let Freedom of choice die. Thanks to the busybody controlling socialist Democrat it has nothing better to do then interrupt people's lives and shake them up for cash.

Start reading up a little better. You might learn something.

Excellent. Even better than I thought. Thanks for that info 3 cheers for "Uncle Joe" Cuomo or whoever was responsible.

Paper bags are **** though, so best get a couple of nice, reusable synthetic bags for your groceries

 

[Stevicus]

Because they have gone on a 14 page rant describing it, vertbatim, as dystopian and akin to Stalinism/Maoism.

Then why not just give up then? If people don't want a ban on plastic bags, why keep pressing the point? Just let it go. The fact the people keep pressing this and using all kinds of bizarre rhetorical tactics only proves the point they're making.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Paper bags are **** though, so best get a couple of nice, reusable synthetic bags for your groceries

I plan on no bags. It goes straight into the cart. Being I live in the People's State of New York, I refuse to give the state another cent of my money just for the privilege of using a paper bag to The Peoples State of New York's Chairman Andrew Cuomo .

They're going to have to pry it out of my cold dead hands which the Socialist Democrats most likely will think up something at some point to accomplish that.

I can see them mandating some compulsory purchase of a paper bag each time a person shops at the store to ensure a more steady revenue stream for the people's state or the state fee that must be paid for use of a shopping cart. I wouldn't put that past them.

 

[Augustus]

Then why not just give up then? If people don't want a ban on plastic bags, why keep pressing the point? Just let it go.

Because RF is a form of entertainment, and such an extreme, paranoid overreaction to something so trivial is something of a curio to us non-Americans.

It's a bit like going to the zoo

 

[Augustus]

I plan on no bags.

Even better. A true friend of the environment. Hats of to you, sir

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Actually, the article linked above says just the opposite:

Pages ago it was linked what I claimed. Sure some are overturning them, but that doesn't erase or change the fact that republican places enacted them.