Leftist Nannyism continues in the People's Republic of New York

[columbus]

The thing is when people think they solved the problem or issue and something else inevitably arises out of it.

You mean, like when people thought that they had resolved the problem of shopping convenience by giving away tons of thin, nearly eternal, plastic sheets?
Tom

 

[Twilight Hue]

You mean, like when people thought that they had resolved the problem of shopping convenience by giving away tons of thin, nearly eternal, plastic sheets?
Tom

Well why stop there? Sandwich bags are just as bad if not worse, and don't get me going on cling wrap! And all the dangerous plastic that's wrapped around various types of candy.

 

[columbus]

There a lot of people out there that still like having and using plastic bags and would rather have not be told as to what they can and cannot do with them by somebody who happens to think that they are completely in the right and views others as being completely in the wrong.

Here's another thread possibility.
Waste disposal as a moral issue.

For most of human history it just wasn't a big deal. Like when Scriptures were being written.
Now, it is. From toxic and nuclear byproducts to fossil fuel emissions to nearly indestructible disposable plastic products, humans are now capable of rendering the biosphere uninhabitable by humans. Doubtless the bacteria and cockroaches and such will do fine. But until the last century or so we didn't have that capacity. So, there's nothing about it in the primitive ethical codes most people live by, both religious and not. The assumption that one can discard anything into the world the rest of us live in, regardless of consequences, is rather deeply ingrained. But utterly immoral.
Tom

 

[SkepticThinker]

It's kind of funny when one person's sense of freedom interferes with another person sense of freedom.

There a lot of people out there that still like having and using plastic bags and would rather have not be told as to what they can and cannot do with them by somebody who happens to think that they are completely in the right and views others as being completely in the wrong.

The whole thing is disingenuous. It's certainly not about the environment which they are attempting to sell that line of bull to people of whom a number of them see right through it.

In this case it's pretty much all about the money they can yet once again extract/extort at the expense of yet depriving another once previous free choice people can make as to how they can live their lives to satisfy their over bloated sense of superiority and outright greed.

Is it that big of a deal for you to either:
a) Pay 5 lousy cents for a bag
2) Purchase a reusable bag for under $1
3) Use a paper bag
4) Use a box
5) Bring a bag from home or,
6) Juggle your groceries in your arms?

Are those 6 options too restrictive upon your personal rights and freedoms? It sounds like you still have a ton of freedom to me. Do you think you have a right to get a plastic bag for free?

Bloated sense of superiority and greed, indeed.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Is it that big of a deal for you to either:
a) Pay 5 lousy cents for a bag
2) Purchase a reusable bag for under $1
3) Use a paper bag
4) Use a box
5) Bring a bag from home or,
6) Juggle your groceries in your arms?

Are those 5 options too restrictive upon your personal rights and freedoms? It sounds like you still have a ton of freedom to me. Do you think you have a right to get a plastic bag for free?

Bloated sense of superiority and greed, indeed.

That's exactly what it is. A bloated sense of superiority and greed.

Besides there's no such thing as free. If you learned a little bit about marketing 101 it's called factoring into the budget. Your version of 'free' is right there when you see the price tag.

If you want to blow it off as trivial go ahead. Frogs in a frying pan slowly being boiled alive probably figures that each 'trivial' degree is no big deal either.

 

[columbus]

Well why stop there? Sandwich bags are just as bad if not worse, and don't get me going on cling wrap! And all the dangerous plastic that's wrapped around various types of candy.

Frankly, I would tax that stuff too.

Or, more precisely, I would collect a fee from people pumping petroleum. A big one, say $200 dollars a barrel. The price of petroleum products, from bag a to motor fuel, would go up a good deal. But lots of things could be funded, from environmental clean up to boosting the lot of third world people.

And frankly, I don't think anybody owns things that nobody made. From oil to metal ore to ocean fish to old growth forests. All non-renewable resources belong as much to any human as any other. So, if anyone wants to exploit them they have to buy them from the human family. Because the earth's resources belong to every single human being on the planet.
Tom

 

[SkepticThinker]

That's exactly what it is. A bloated sense of superiority and greed.

I was referring to your position.

Besides there's no such thing as free. If you learned a little bit about marketing 101 it's called factoring into the budget. Your version of 'free' is right there when you see the price tag.

You're not being forced to pay for a plastic bag. You can easily do any of the 6 things I listed, four of which are actually free.

If you want to blow it off as trivial go ahead. Frogs in a frying pan slowly being boiled alive probably figures that each 'trivial' degree is no big deal either.

I'm trying to figure out why you're so upset about this and why you think it interferes in any way with any of your perceived freedoms. You have no less than 6 options when shopping. That's not enough freedom for you?

 

[columbus]

Besides there's no such thing as free. If you learned a little bit about marketing 101 it's called factoring into the budget. Your version of 'free' is right there when you see the price tag.

Except that the price tag often doesn't cover the costs.
Imagine what a gallon of motor fuel would cost if it included removing and sequestration of the exhaust. As long as people feel free to dump their waste into the world, for everybody to deal with "equally", it will appear free. But it isn't. It's hugely expensive. It's just that the people who are accustomed to doing it aren't inclined to change their primitive, immoral, unsustainable ethics. They think they should be free to do whatever they want. No matter what the consequences for others, or how much it interferes with their freedom.
Tom

 

[Twilight Hue]

Except that the price tag often doesn't cover the costs.
Imagine what a gallon of motor fuel would cost if it included removing and sequestration of the exhaust. As long as people feel free to dump their waste into the world, for everybody to deal with "equally", it will appear free. But it isn't. It's hugely expensive. It's just that the people who are accustomed to doing it aren't inclined to change their primitive, immoral, unsustainable ethics. They think they should be free to do whatever they want. No matter what the consequences for others, or how much it interferes with their freedom.
Tom

Who do you think buys the bags in the first place? It's the store. Price tags always covers the cost.

It's really hypocritical because everybody dumps waste into the world. Even if you're thinking you're responsible you're still intentionally throwing out plastic trash bags. Probably with store plastic bags inside.


I'm sure now with the savings we will see reduced prices for the goods as a result of the ban. Eh?

 

[Twilight Hue]

I was referring to your position.


You're not being forced to pay for a plastic bag. You can easily do any of the 6 things I listed, four of which are actually free.


I'm trying to figure out why you're so upset about this and why you think it interferes in any way with any of your perceived freedoms. You have no less than 6 options when shopping. That's not enough freedom for you?

I'm actually more upset about the continuing habit and practice of the neverending and ongoing nanny legislation primarily instituted by the Socialist Democrats.

Makes me wonder how long it will be before we start looking like Kenya and rounding up people and throwing them in prison for the 'crime' of having and using a plastic bag.

Tyrants do that sort of thing.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How are you defining liberal and socialist?
I think of liberals as pro social, as opposed to the more tribal, anti-social right wing.

Liberals tend to not advocate for the public/social ownership of production and distribution, they don't make for very strong union allies, and the blue-collar identity isn't one they often vouch for anymore. Socialism is far more than just advocating for welfare and public road funding.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If you want to blow it off as trivial go ahead. Frogs in a frying pan slowly being boiled alive probably figures that each 'trivial' degree is no big deal either.

I can't wait until you find yourself having to go through with this change, and then for the life of you not being able to remember what you was all worked up for. You're almost like a small child getting worked up over getting a shot.

 

[Augustus]

I can't wait until you find yourself having to go through with this change, and then for the life of you not being able to remember what you was all worked up for. You're almost like a small child getting worked up over getting a shot.

Bloody nanny state! First they made me wear a seatbelt in the car, then they stopped me from smoking on aeroplanes, but putting a 5c charge on plastic bags to reduce irreversible environmental damage is really beyond the pale!

 

[Twilight Hue]

I can't wait until you find yourself having to go through with this change, and then for the life of you not being able to remember what you was all worked up for. You're almost like a small child getting worked up over getting a shot.

I'm not that casual with advocating taking away people's choices in a supposedly free country.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Bloody nanny state! First they made me wear a seatbelt in the car, then they stopped me from smoking on aeroplanes, but putting a 5c charge on plastic bags to reduce irreversible environmental damage is really beyond the pale!

You might like living in a dystopian Society. Most people don't.

 

[Augustus]

You might like living in a dystopian Society. Most people don't.

You might like ludicrously hyperbolic self-pity and whining. Most people don't.

Can't wait for all of the spine-chilling dystopian horror movies set in a post-apocalyptic nightmare where people have to bring their own bag or pay 5 entire cents to get one from the shop.

1. It's really doesn't take a Herculean effort to bring a bag
2. If you can't do this, or have a bizarre plastic bag fetish, it's only 5 ****ing cents

 

[Twilight Hue]

You might like ludicrously hyperbolic self-pity and whining. Most people don't.

Can't wait for all of the spine-chilling dystopian horror movies set in a post-apocalyptic nightmare where people have to bring their own bag or pay 5 entire cents to get one from the shop.

1. It's really doesn't take a Herculean effort to bring a bag
2. If you can't do this, or have a bizarre plastic bag fetish, it's only 5 ****ing cents

That incredible sense of superiority and self-righteous bull I see remains alive and well with the Socialist left.

5****ing cents ROFLMAO!!. You're killing me here!!! If you bother to do a little basic math , that tends to accumulate into quite a pile of fresh extorted cash. But as more people leave the grip of Chairman Andrew Cuomo from the People's Republic of New York, I figured sustainability of the law will last only as long as they can continue to extort adequate funds while feeding people lines of environmental bull.

I can't wait till the Airborne illnesses start from people going to the grocery store and more people continue to leave the Socialist state two other states that actually respect what it means to live in a free country with personal choice.

Hey look at that.....

New York state ranks first in population loss (again)

Bye-bye Chairman Mao present emperor of the People's Republic of New York!


In case you're interested, NEWS FLASH it just so happens that five ****ing cents is mine, not yours to just compulsorly take from people because suddenly a group of self righteous hin***es happen to feel like doing so during those while enjoying the high-and-mighty moments where they feel they know much better on how people should live their lives and dictate to them how to do it. Major Royalty complex? That's an incredible understatement.

They definitely are not going to get the paper bag fee from me that's for damm certain from the oh so royal socialist dumb****'s that continues to orchestrate things like this unabated.

Just watch the tree hugger movement start complaining about deforestation again in the rainforest because of the increased use to paper bags like they did in the past for which they were the ones who actually brought plastic bags to stores in the first place. Crazy nut cases.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Oh boy....... Oh joy.

The Socialist Liberals are on a quest and have united together to create more new People's Republic's across the nation to increase their superior grip on controlling people's lives, and of course raising more revenue for more honorable chairman to roll naked in as they feed lines of environmentalist bull to the masses.

Plastic bag bans gain steam in liberal states

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm not that casual with advocating taking away people's choices in a supposedly free country.

What choice? The "choice" to get what you get? Even here there is still a choice of paper or plastic. It just costs a bit if you didn't make the choice to bring your own.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Oh boy....... Oh joy.

The Socialist Liberals are on a quest and have united together to create more new People's Republic's across the nation to increase their superior grip on controlling people's lives, and of course raising more revenue for more honorable chairman to roll naked in as they feed lines of environmentalist bull to the masses.

Plastic bag bans gain steam in liberal states

As was pointed out to you prior, even UTAH and TEXAS are doing it. Red Republican counties and communities are doing it.