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Katzpur said:You're not really asking me this question, are you, Nutshell? You know the answer as well as I do.
I'd like to know, if you don't mind answering.Katzpur said:You're not really asking me this question, are you, Nutshell? You know the answer as well as I do.
Okay, well the Gospel according to Katzpur is that the perpetuation of the species is probably the main reason why God instituted marriage. However, He also said, "Neither is the man without the woman or the woman without the man, in God." (I hope I got that right; I didn't bother to reference my scriptures.) So, I'm assuming that He is fine with childless families, as long as they are comprised of a man and a woman.nutshell said:I am really asking you this question
Elder Oaks wrote that marriage is for reproductive purposes. If a person can't reproduce why can they still get married?
Katzpur said:Okay, well the Gospel according to Katzpur is that the perpetuation of the species is probably the main reason why God instituted marriage.
I don't know... but when you figure out how, will you let me know?Katzpur said:Would somebody please tell me why I don't learn to stay the hell out of threads on homosexuality?
October 1995 Ensign said:Our attitudes toward these questions are dictated by gospel doctrines we know to be true.
1. God created us “male and female” (D&C 20:18; Moses 2:27; Gen. 1:27). What we call gender was an essential characteristic of our existence prior to our birth. 2
2. The purpose of mortal life and the mission of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is to prepare the sons and daughters of God for their destiny—to become like our heavenly parents.
3. Our eternal destiny—exaltation in the celestial kingdom—is made possible only through the atonement of Jesus Christ (through which we became and can remain “innocent before God” [D&C 93:38]) and is only available to a man and a woman who have entered into and been faithful to the covenants of an eternal marriage in a temple of God (see D&C 131:1–4; D&C 132).
4. Through the merciful plan of our Father in Heaven, persons who desire to do what is right but through no fault of their own are unable to have an eternal marriage in mortal life will have an opportunity to qualify for eternal life in a period following mortality, if they keep the commandments of God and are true to their baptismal and other covenants. 3
5. In addition to the cleansing effect of the Atonement, God has given us agency—the power to choose between good (the path of life) and evil (the path of spiritual death and destruction [see 2 Ne. 2:27; Moses 4:3]). Although the conditions of mortality can limit our freedom (such as by restricting our mobility or our power to act on certain options), when we have reached the age or condition of accountability (see Moro. 8:5–12; D&C 68:27; D&C 101:78) no mortal or spiritual power can deprive us of our agency.
6. To accomplish one of the purposes of mortal life, it is essential that we be tested against opposition to see if we will keep the commandments of God (see 2 Ne. 2:11; Abr. 3:25–26). To provide that opposition, Satan and his followers are permitted to tempt us to use our agency and our freedom to choose evil and to commit sin.
7. Because Satan desires that “all men might be miserable like unto himself” (2 Ne. 2:27), his most strenuous efforts are directed at encouraging those choices and actions that will thwart God’s plan for his children. He seeks to undermine the principle of individual accountability, to persuade us to misuse our sacred powers of procreation, to discourage marriage and childbearing by worthy men and women, and to confuse what it means to be male or female.
8. In all of this, the devil, who has no body, seeks to persuade mortals to corrupt their bodies by “choos[ing] eternal death, according to the will of the flesh … , which giveth the spirit of the devil power to captivate, to bring [them] down to hell, that he may reign over [them] in his own kingdom” (2 Ne. 2:29).
9. The First Presidency has declared that “there is a distinction between [1] immoral thoughts and feelings and [2] participating in either immoral heterosexual or any homosexual behavior.” 4 Although immoral thoughts are less serious than immoral behavior, such thoughts also need to be resisted and repented of because we know that “our thoughts will also condemn us” (Alma 12:14). Immoral thoughts (and the less serious feelings that lead to them) can bring about behavior that is sinful.
10. Because of God’s great love for his children, even the worst sinners (or almost all of them) will ultimately be rewarded with assignment to a kingdom of glory. 5 Persons who have lived good lives and received most of the ordinances of salvation but have failed to qualify for exaltation through eternal marriage will be saved in a lesser place in the celestial kingdom where there is no eternal increase (see D&C 131:1–4).
11. In the midst of the challenges and choices of mortal life, we are all under the Savior’s commandment to “love one another” (John 15:12, 17). As the First Presidency said in a recent message:
“We are asked to be kinder with one another, more gentle and forgiving. We are asked to be slower to anger and more prompt to help. We are asked to extend the hand of friendship and resist the hand of retribution. We are called upon to be true disciples of Christ, to love one another with genuine compassion, for that is the way Christ loved us.” 6
Kindness, compassion, and love are powerful instruments in strengthening us to carry heavy burdens imposed without any fault of our own and to do what we know to be right.
lizskid said:The Bible also gave us the relationships of David and Jonathon, Ruth and Naomi and Daniel and Ashpenaz. .
Sure we would, but I believe God wanted it to be within the bonds of matrimony.Maize said:
Interesting. I don't understand how marriage relates to the perpetuation of the species, however. Marriage or not, I have to think we as a species would have figured out how to reproduce. Or am I not understanding this correctly?
Don't worry, I've given up trying to figure it out. But this is officially my last post on a homosexuality thread!!!! There are a lot of other topics where I can debate my little head off and not end up so frustrated I could scream. I'm going to stick to them.I don't know... but when you figure out how, will you let me know?
:hug:Katzpur said:Don't worry, I've given up trying to figure it out. But this is officially my last post on a homosexuality thread!!!! There are a lot of other topics where I can debate my little head off and not end up so frustrated I could scream. I'm going to stick to them.
beckysoup61 said:They weren't having sexual relations with each other or did I miss something in Sunday School.:sarcastic
lizskid said:Well, I don't remember details about too many of the couples in the Bible having sexual relations, although we can surmise it happened.:yes:
lizskid said:Well, I don't remember details about too many of the couples in the Bible having sexual relations, although we can surmise it happened.:yes:
DeepShadow said:Sounds like a great topic for a thread, if you can find any evidence. While "details" may have been lacking, we can do a lot more than "surmise" what happened between other sexual couples in the Bible.
The strongest insult, really? It's just my honest opinion.Katzpur said:Interesting to hear you say that, Paul. Considering the fact that the LDS Church has the most all-inclusive concept of Heaven of any Christian Church in the world today, I find you attitude really quite confusing. I am not, however, confused as to your message. I'll take it as quite possibly the strongest insult I've seen directed at my Church since joining RF. But if it will make you feel any better, God won't force you to hang around with Him. You can spend eternity as far away from Him as you please. I hope you enjoy yourself.
PetShopBoy88 said:Halcyon, I'm curios - Do you feel the way about all sins? What if, for example, you died and found out that God doesn't like it when people steal. Would you want to be as far away from him as possible because he doesn't accept your crook friends? Or is it only certain sins?
I don't consider homosexuality a sin.PetShopBoy88 said:Halcyon, I'm curios - Do you feel the way about all sins? What if, for example, you died and found out that God doesn't like it when people steal. Would you want to be as far away from him as possible because he doesn't accept your crook friends? Or is it only certain sins?
If God gave someone cancer and then called them a sinner for having cancer, then yes, i would reject him.Deepshadow said:Sins are only the tip of the iceberg! What about how God treats children with fibromyalgia, or cancer? Would you reject God because he made a person genetically predisposed to be an alcoholic, and thereby put said person on a collision course with heartbreak and unfulfilled dreams? If God is to be held responsible for all our genes, then he has a lot to answer for!