Landlords upset ...

[Revoltingest]

And this is unjust...

The only solace is making an obscene profit.
Or at least a profit that supports you.
(They also resent us for being pretty.)

 

[Stevicus]

Some liberals....so much empathy for the poor,
but so little for the providers in society.

Only those who are seen as taking advantage and profiting off the plight of the poor. It's viewed much the same way as a bodybuilder bullying a 98-pound weakling. Less progressive individuals view it as "natural law," survival of the fittest, the strong dominate the weak.

Liberals like to root for the underdog, while capitalists hate the underdog.

 

[Revoltingest]

Only those who are seen as taking advantage and profiting off the plight of the poor. It's viewed much the same way as a bodybuilder bullying a 98-pound weakling. Less progressive individuals view it as "natural law," survival of the fittest, the strong dominate the weak.

Liberals like to root for the underdog, while capitalists hate the underdog.

Justifying hating the providers, eh.
Imagining "bullying" where there is none, eh.

 

[Trailblazer]

Liberals like to root for the underdog, while capitalists hate the underdog.

Do you assume that all landlords are capitalists and not liberals?

 

[Trailblazer]

Imagining "bullying" where there is none, eh.

And imagine renting a house where there is none to rent?
Some tenants are grateful and respectful, others are exploitative and manipulative.
At the end of the day it is all about character.

 

[Stevicus]

It's definitely in the direction, what with the continually
increasing regulation. The question is how far it will go.

The U.S. was probably more in the direction of socialism back during the New Deal or Great Society eras. We haven't even gotten close to that level since at least the 1980s.

It's not justified in light of the alternative, ie,
government supports those who cannot pay.

No landlords I know are getting paid for losses.
Government does have disaster loans, but those
must be repaid (generally).

If the fed creates a policy with this effect,
& does nothing to fix any problems, what's
that tell ya.

Well, that still doesn't answer the question as to where the money, which was specifically set aside for landlords, has gone. $25 billion, according to the link I posted upthread. So, the government has earmarked money to reimburse landlords, yet you say the landlords aren't getting it? So, what gives? What's going on here?

Liberty for all, of course.
But this doesn't mean that some citizens should
get a free ride at the expense of other citizens.
Government should provide & pay for social programs,
not targeted businesses.

The wealthy have been getting a free ride on the backs of the poor for millennia. Most of what the government spends money on is specifically designed to benefit the wealthy (such as the U.S. defense budget).

I believe in justice, and justice means that the wealthy should have to pay for their crimes against the people.

I'm looking for sympathy.
As I've said, I got out of the vast bulk of my residential stuff.

Well, there are ways of getting sympathy, as I said.

Liberalism is all about organizational flaws, ie, having
government assume too much responsibility & power.
And the taking from some to give to others. All this
without due consideration.
Conservatives also suffer from such a mindset, but
less so in the economic arena.

So, conservative bureaucrats are better organized than liberal bureaucrats?

 

[Wu Wei]

But tenants are victims & are good.
Landlords are evil & greedy.
This view drives their public policy advocacy.

Speaking as an evil & greedy landlord.....One of our good victims stopped paying last month....... and this month.......they are gone..... we did not evict them.....and the lease had a few months left on it...... they just moved out...and took everything they owned with them...... no damage to the condo as far as I know... and no word as to why they left

 

[Stevicus]

Justifying hating the providers, eh.
Imagining "bullying" where there is none, eh.

When someone in a more powerful position flexes their muscle against someone who is in a weaker and disadvantageous position, I would consider that bullying. This is just as true when a big corporation muscles a small business or some big time law firm goes after the small fry. This is why the federal government is seen as a rescuer or a white knight, saving the weak and innocent from the misery inflicted by the strong and brutal.

You were asking why liberals take the positions they take. It really should be easy to figure out. People root for the underdog. It's a natural human tendency, except among capitalists, who like tearing the wings off of flies.

Haven't you ever heard of Scrooge?

You might protest that it's unfair or untrue criticism, but I can't believe you don't understand the reasons why liberals see things the way they do.

Do capitalists ever make even the slightest attempt to demonstrate otherwise? As I said, some have PR campaigns to say they're a bunch of nice guys, but they're obviously not doing enough if they can't convince liberals or the general public that they're not evil bullies who have made their wealth by taking candy from helpless babies.

That's why I made such a point about challenging capitalists to prove their worth and positive value to society. I gave them a chance to counter all the bad reputation and bad press and give their side of the story. And yet, they fell flat. They couldn't do it. What's more is that some outright refused, stating that they don't have to justify themselves. But if that's the case, then they have no business complaining if people think that they're evil and greedy.

 

[Revoltingest]

The U.S. was probably more in the direction of socialism back during the New Deal or Great Society eras. We haven't even gotten close to that level since at least the 1980s.

The rate of change then was higher, but the direction remains
the same. Even during my lifetime, I've watched government
seize ever more power over economic activity.
Ever looked at just the size of the CFR (Code of Fed Regs)?
That'll curdle yer bacon.

Well, that still doesn't answer the question as to where the money, which was specifically set aside for landlords, has gone. $25 billion, according to the link I posted upthread. So, the government has earmarked money to reimburse landlords, yet you say the landlords aren't getting it? So, what gives? What's going on here?

Beats me.

The wealthy have been getting a free ride on the backs of the poor for millennia. Most of what the government spends money on is specifically designed to benefit the wealthy (such as the U.S. defense budget).

Generally, if the poor were productive &/or made better life
choices, they wouldn't be poor. They don't support anyone.

I believe in justice, and justice means that the wealthy should have to pay for their crimes against the people.

Is being wealthy itself a crime?
Lordy....that would explain the hatred behind government policies.

Well, there are ways of getting sympathy, as I said.

Meh...I don't need it.
Anyone who resents me for being a landlord
isn't anyone whose opinion I value.

So, conservative bureaucrats are better organized than liberal bureaucrats?

I doubt it.

 

[Trailblazer]

Speaking as an evil & greedy landlord.....One of our good victims stopped paying last month....... and this month.......they are gone..... we did not evict them.....and the lease had a few months left on it...... they just moved out...and took everything they owned with them...... no damage to the condo as far as I know... and no word as to why they left

You are luckier than me.... My tenant is not about to move out but if he did move out then I would be in worse shape because then I would not have a snowball's chance in hell of ever getting the over $14,000 that he owes me....
On the other hand, I will probably never get that money from him, I will probably only get it from the county rental assistance program funds that come through from the feds.

I am really angry at that tenant right now, and he does not know HOW angry I am, yet.

 

[Revoltingest]

Speaking as an evil & greedy landlord.....One of our good victims stopped paying last month....... and this month.......they are gone..... we did not evict them.....and the lease had a few months left on it...... they just moved out...and took everything they owned with them...... no damage to the condo as far as I know... and no word as to why they left

I count that as good riddance.
The real problem tenants are the ones who won't pay but stay, &
the ones who leave damages. I had one house they caused $250k
in damages to. Then they wanted their security deposit back.
(They didn't get it.)

 

[Wu Wei]

Well, that still doesn't answer the question as to where the money, which was specifically set aside for landlords, has gone. $25 billion, according to the link I posted upthread. So, the government has earmarked money to reimburse landlords, yet you say the landlords aren't getting it? So, what gives? What's going on here?

The tenant has to apply for this to pay the rent.....and in many cases..... guess who is not applying and if they are...not passing it on to the landlord.

 

[Revoltingest]

When someone in a more powerful position flexes their muscle against someone who is in a weaker and disadvantageous position, I would consider that bullying.

Just exercising agreements that both parties signed, & one's
legal rights is now bullying, eh? This kind of class warfare
demonization leaves no common ground.
To justify stealing, breaking agreements, vandalism, & using
the law to rip us off is just loony socialist raving. (Pardon my
French. But it had to be said.)

Where's your compassion?
Why don't you pay rent for the poor?
Oh, that's someone else's responsibility.

 

[Wu Wei]

You are luckier than me.... My tenant is not about to move out but if he did move out then I would be in worse shape because then I would not have a snowball's chance in hell of ever getting the over $14,000 that he owes me....
On the other hand, I will probably never get that money from him, I will probably only get it from the county rental assistance program funds that come through from the feds.

I am really angry at that tenant right now, and he does not know HOW angry I am, yet.

We were only out $2000, and we wanted to sell that one anyway. But we're lucky, we do not have mortgages on our properties anymore..... I feel bad for those that do..... and can't pay them because no one is paying them.... that part of the equation seems to go unreported

 

[Stevicus]

Do you assume that all landlords are capitalists and not liberals?

I consider all landlords to be capitalists. Some may be liberals, but even that may vary depending on how one defines "liberal."

 

[Trailblazer]

The tenant has to apply for this to pay the rent.....and in many cases..... guess who is not applying and if they are...not passing it on to the landlord.

Not in my state... as a landlord I can apply for it myself, although he has to be involved and fill out his part of the paperwork.

 

[Wu Wei]

Not in my state... as a landlord I can apply for it myself, although he has to be involved and fill out his part of the paperwork.

I know the tenant is involved in the paperwork, but they are not doing the paperwork, and I also know there is a rent relief check sent to the tenant, that is supposed to goto the landlord... but it is not getting passed on or only passed on in part. Do not know the details because we have been lucky

 

[Trailblazer]

We were only out $2000, and we wanted to sell that one anyway. But we're lucky, we do not have mortgages on our properties anymore..... I feel bad for those that do..... and can't pay them because no one is paying them.... that part of the equation seems to go unreported

We only have two rentals and one residence and we do not have any mortgages on any of the properties.
The tenant who owes me over $14,000 is living in what was going to be our vacation house, atop a bluff overlooking the Pacific Ocean. I'd rather be living there than here, but it is in a very small town far from any medical services so my husband does not want to live there since he has some health conditions.

 

[Trailblazer]

It might be the same here, it was explained to me, by a others who have properties the way I posted, but I never had to look into it myself.

The tenant did have to be the one to apply but they changed that rule at the end of 2020 in my state, so now I can initiate the application myself.

 

[Wu Wei]

We only have two rentals and one residence and we do not have any mortgages on any of the properties.
The tenant who owes me over $14,000 is living in what was going to be our vacation house, atop a bluff overlooking the Pacific Ocean. I'd rather be living there than here, but it is in a very small town far from any medical services so my husband does not want to live there since he has some health conditions.

ours are all condos and houses. There is one we might start using in 3 years, after I retire, but for now it is rented