Landlords upset ...

[Stevicus]

Just exercising agreements that both parties signed, & one's
legal rights is now bullying, eh? This kind of class warfare
demonization leaves no common ground.

Some people aren't as smart or educated as others. Some people don't understand contracts as well as others. A fast-talking con artist who maneuvers or tricks dull or witless people into signing contracts or taking on debts they can't afford is unethical and is no less a bully than a big kid on a playground shaking down little kids for their lunch money. A bully is still a bully, whether it's on a playground or in a courtroom.

Fairness, justice, equality - these are things I support. When they are out of balance, government exists to compensate and restore balance.

If you can't find any common ground with principles like that, then that says more about you than it does about me.

To justify stealing, breaking agreements, vandalism, & using
the law to rip us off is just loony socialist raving. (Pardon my
French. But it had to be said.)

Who's getting ripped off? The poor are poor because they've already been ripped off and unjustly treated by the rich. I will continue to believe that to be true until someone demonstrates otherwise (and they can't, as I've already demonstrated here in this forum). Prove that you earned your wealth fairly and honestly, with just compensation and not one cent more than is deserved, and then maybe the socialists might allow you to keep it.

Workers earn only what is just compensation. By definition, capitalists want profit, which is more than what they deserve - more than what they have given and more than what they have worked for.

That's the difference. And again, I will offer you the chance to prove me wrong. Prove to me that capitalists have earned what they have. Prove that their net worth is what they have worked for and what they deserve, and show your work. I have offered this opportunity many, many times, and yet, nothing. Just the sound of cricket bows in response.

You think I'm being mean to capitalists, but if they're unable to justify themselves, it's only because there is no justification.

Where's your compassion?
Why don't you pay rent for the poor?
Oh, that's someone else's responsibility.

I give back however and whenever I can. As I said, I believe in fairness. Charging too much for a product or service is price gouging, and it's not fair. That's why I believe in price controls and rent controls. In order to make prices fair. It's also why I favor an unused property tax which doubles each month a property remains vacant. I believe this would have the effect of lowering property values and rents to more reasonable and affordable levels, perhaps 10% of what they are now. So, if someone who was paying $1000 a month has it reduced to $100 a month, then it would be far more affordable. This would also free up tons of disposable income for the average family, which would allow them to spend on other things, which could be a tremendous boost to the economy.

 

[Revoltingest]

We were only out $2000, and we wanted to sell that one anyway. But we're lucky, we do not have mortgages on our properties anymore..... I feel bad for those that do..... and can't pay them because no one is paying them.... that part of the equation seems to go unreported

I had one apartment go vacant in October. It was a month
to month lease. Since then, I've been updating it. Since
#1 Son works there all day, this made more sense than
leasing to some possibly plague ridden tenant. Now
we're all vaccinated (my last shot is tomorrow), so it's
safe to lease it out, & the work is nearly done. I only
lost about $8k in rent...a small price to pay.

 

[Revoltingest]

Some people aren't as smart or educated as others. Some people don't understand contracts as well as others. A fast-talking con artist who maneuvers or tricks dull or witless people into signing contracts or taking on debts they can't afford is unethical and is no less a bully than a big kid on a playground shaking down little kids for their lunch money. A bully is still a bully, whether it's on a playground or in a courtroom.

Yes, I can see how too many people are too dumb to understand
they must pay rent for the term of the lease. And don't steal the
appliances, break the windows, or threaten the staff.
I expect them to honor those terms....I'm just a big bully.
BTW, I write my leases in plain English....another unfairness, eh.

Fairness, justice, equality - these are things I support. When they are out of balance, government exists to compensate and restore balance.

If you can't find any common ground with principles like that, then that says more about you than it does about me.

The lack of common ground is your treating us
all as group stereotypes, & not as individuals.

I once knew a guy who headed Student Legal Services
at U of M. He was like you. But later he told me that
he inherited some rental property. Boy oh boy, did
his tune change. The real world can do that to one
fortunate enuf to experience it fully.

 

[Trailblazer]

I consider all landlords to be capitalists. Some may be liberals, but even that may vary depending on how one defines "liberal."

I would be careful when you say that "all landlords" capitalists because that is the Fallacy of Hasty Generalization and the Fallacy of Jumping to conclusions.

We did not purchase either of our two rental homes with the intention of renting them out to make money. The one rental was our residence for 17 years and we moved because we needed a larger house at that time, but that was in 2008 when everything tanked so we could not sell that house for what it was worth so we decided to keep it and rent it out because one cannot have a house that sits vacant...

We purchased the other house for a vacation home and an investment since I had lost my job die to state budget cuts and I got demoted into a much lower level position with much less pay... We had to rent the vacation house because one cannot have a vacant house since insurance won't cover it.

 

[Trailblazer]

ours are all condos and houses. There is one we might start using in 3 years, after I retire, but for now it is rented

I had hoped to perhaps retire in out ocean view house bu as I said in the other post my husband does not want to be that far from medical. I could retire whenever I want to but I am in no hurry because I have no plans for retirement and nothing to look forward to.

 

[Trailblazer]

I know the tenant is involved in the paperwork, but they are not doing the paperwork, and I also know there is a rent relief check sent to the tenant, that is supposed to go to the landlord... but it is not getting passed on or only passed on in part. Do not know the details because we have been lucky

I was told by the county that the rental assistance money will go directly to me. The money from the feds had not come through yet last I checked so I have to check back.

 

[Revoltingest]

I was told by the county that the rental assistance money will go directly to me. The money from the feds had not come through yet last I checked so I have to check back.

Good luck.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And though those on the left do not want to admit it there are far too

Speaking as an evil & greedy landlord.....One of our good victims stopped paying last month....... and this month.......they are gone..... we did not evict them.....and the lease had a few months left on it...... they just moved out...and took everything they owned with them...... no damage to the condo as far as I know... and no word as to why they left

I guess you can be thankful for small favors. Getting an independent agency to vet renters appears to be a must these days.

Years ago my Dad tried to leased out half of a duplex that he owned and lived in. It was a disaster. It took far too long to kick out the renter. Then my brother, who lived in a townhouse elsewhere in town asked him if he wanted to sell half of it. That arrangement worked. They both had someone that they could trust if either left town. They both had a vested interest in the property.

 

[Revoltingest]

And though those on the left do not want to admit it there are far too

I guess you can be thankful for small favors. Getting an independent agency to vet renters appears to be a must these days.

Years ago my Dad tried to leased out half of a duplex that he owned and lived in. It was a disaster. It took far too long to kick out the renter. Then my brother, who lived in a townhouse elsewhere in town asked him if he wanted to sell half of it. That arrangement worked. They both had someone that they could trust if either left town. They both had a vested interest in the property.

Rentals do require continual monitoring.
That's the advantage of self-storage.
One only need monitor the manager & financials.

Also, we're subject to much less regulation because
government doesn't see this essential service as
essential. Good economy or bad...people always
need us.

 

[We Never Know]

We were only out $2000, and we wanted to sell that one anyway. But we're lucky, we do not have mortgages on our properties anymore..... I feel bad for those that do..... and can't pay them because no one is paying them.... that part of the equation seems to go unreported

Speaking of mortgages....What about people or a family that does have a mortgage on their home, is the government helping them pay it or at least putting off their payment same as they are doing for renters?,

 

[Wu Wei]

Speaking of mortgages....What about people or a family that does have a mortgage on their home, is the government helping them pay it or at least putting off their payment same as they are doing for renters?,

good point

 

[Suave]

... over judge ruling to temporarily reinstate eviction moratorium
A Centers for Disease, Control and Prevention ban protecting struggling tenants from being kicked out of their homes due to the pandemic is now being reinstated after it was originally struck down on Wednesday.

The federal judge making this decision is now considering an emergency request from the Biden Administration by May 16, which is causing a lot of questions to arise from landlords in the area.

“They just keep ripping the rug out from us,” Genesee Landlord Association President, Ed Constable.

Constable is also a landlord, who’s been experiencing problems like this one.

“I was paying the water and heat for this tenant for 10 months for free,” explained Constable.

And Constable says he’s not the only one having to make these sacrifices.

“We do have members still dealing with about 15% of their portfolio not paying rent, and a lot of these tenants owe them anywhere between $2,500 to $9,000 in back rent,” he said.

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Landlords upset over judge ruling to temporarily reinstate eviction moratorium​

I think there is emergency rental assistance provided by the American Rescue Plan.

 

[Suave]

Yeah, I know landlords who are in deep doodoo.
Y'all will be glad to know that my portfolio is down to 2
residential units...one paying full rent, the other being
rehabbed (almost done). Storage tenants don't get to
legally stay without paying rent.

Is not the Emergency Rental Assistance program available there to help struggling tenants and landlords who have lost income by no fault of their own due to C.O.V.I.D.-19?

 

[Stevicus]

The tenant has to apply for this to pay the rent.....and in many cases..... guess who is not applying and if they are...not passing it on to the landlord.

Well, there must be a legal remedy for this. I can understand tough times, but if there's money available and people are wantonly refusing to avail themselves of it, then that's on them.

 

[Revoltingest]

Is not the Emergency Rental Assistance program available there to help struggling tenants and landlords who have lost income by no fault of their own due to C.O.V.I.D.-19?

I don't know any landlords getting such money.

 

[McBell]

I don't know any landlords getting such money.

Nor do I.
though, I have heard numerous landlords discussing the claim that this money allegedly exists.....

 

[Revoltingest]

Nor do I.
though, I have heard numerous landlords discussing the claim that this money allegedly exists.....

I wonder...
These people who argue that rent should be free....
why don't they argue that their loans should be interest
free, that property taxes be free, & that utilities be free?
That would make it easier for landlords to provide free
housing to their delinquent tenants.
They argue that landlords already have the buildings.
Well, banks already lent the money, roads already
exist, utilities already have water, etc.

 

[Stevicus]

Yes, I can see how too many people are too dumb to understand
they must pay rent for the term of the lease. And don't steal the
appliances, break the windows, or threaten the staff.
I expect them to honor those terms....I'm just a big bully.
BTW, I write my leases in plain English....another unfairness, eh.

That wasn't what I'm talking about. Some tenants aren't aware that they have rights. I learned about this in college when I utilized the services of student legal aid. They also had a guide which outlined the rules that landlords have to follow. For example, in AZ, for a landlord to enter a dwelling, they have to give the tenant at least 48 hours written notice. I've encountered landlords who routinely violated rules like that, banking on the fact that many tenants wouldn't know these things.

My mother had a landlady who was entering her apartment when my mom was at work. I also knew a woman whose landlord had raped and sexually abused her for over two years. Preying on the ignorant and vulnerable like that doesn't strike me as an honorable way of doing things. I'm not saying that's how you do it. Maybe you're an outlier. But these things can and do happen, and these are the things that people remember.

The lack of common ground is your treating us
all as group stereotypes, & not as individuals.

Aren't you doing that regarding the tenants, lumping them into a group? They break stuff, steal stuff, threaten staff, break windows - you said all that. Why do you rent to such riff-raff anyway? I've never done that in any property I've rented, although I have broken a few things on accident.

You've also made group stereotypes about workers, calling them drones.

I'm not necessarily lumping all landlords in the same group. My only point along that line was that you were wondering aloud as to why many liberals and others in society have such a dim view of landlords. Looking back, I can see I may have come off a bit strident, but that's probably I was somewhat incredulous that you would even ask such a thing. It's like a politician openly wondering why the general public would have a dim view of politicians. Not knowing something about the history or culture or the reputation of one's chosen profession doesn't seem right to me.

I once knew a guy who headed Student Legal Services
at U of M. He was like you. But later he told me that
he inherited some rental property. Boy oh boy, did
his tune change. The real world can do that to one
fortunate enuf to experience it fully.

After my father remarried a woman with three children, our family needed a bigger house, so they bought another home. They were originally going to sell the other house, but for reasons I can't remember offhand, they decided to keep it and rent it out. I think the first tenant was a bit of a problem, a woman with two children. She was constantly late on rent, always came up with excuses, made partial payments and promised to come up with the rest, but never did. My dad and step-mom were clearly frustrated with the whole situation, and they consulted a lawyer and got some legal guides in order to take the steps necessary to evict her. They had better luck with the other tenants they had, although they decided to move back into that house 10 years later. I think my dad's whole view on that was that it was more trouble than it was worth.

I also worked for a cemetery many years ago. My boss was a licensed real estate broker; cemetery plots are real estate. Some people didn't pay their bills, but we couldn't evict an occupant of a grave. That just isn't done.

 

[Revoltingest]

That wasn't what I'm talking about. Some tenants aren't aware that they have rights. I learned about this in college when I utilized the services of student legal aid. They also had a guide which outlined the rules that landlords have to follow. For example, in AZ, for a landlord to enter a dwelling, they have to give the tenant at least 48 hours written notice. I've encountered landlords who routinely violated rules like that, banking on the fact that many tenants wouldn't know these things.

And I had to put up with tenants who threatened to kill
people on my staff, who called my staff the "n" word,
who burned down a house, who destroyed a house
by....you get the picture. Demonize landlord...I can
demonize tenants. Public policy shouldn't be based
upon stories to stereotype.

 

[Suave]

I don't know any landlords getting such money.

Please check out Sources of Coronavirus Assistance for Landlords and Tenants. https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/...rus-assistance-for-landlords-and-tenants.html