Jeremy Taylor
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Are you suggesting that the UK and NI in particular is worse off now than before the Good Friday Agreement of the late 90s?
I'm suggesting it was a shameful surrender.
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Are you suggesting that the UK and NI in particular is worse off now than before the Good Friday Agreement of the late 90s?
Pally as in meeting at the pub for a pint? Or meeting on political business that happens to be their jobs.Being pally with the front men for IRA terrorism...
I've heard it claimed but I've neve seen any evidence..Jeremy Taylor said:...who were well known to be linked to it (see all the stuff that has come out over the years about the likes of Adams and McGuiness and their involvement)...
Depends what you meant by pally. Given that neither of us knows whether Adams is really a provo I have to say that you're argument that Corbyn is sympathetic to terrorism is shaky and bordering on completely invalid.Jeremy Taylor said:...is not being sympathetic to IRA terrorism?
I can't see a single thing that Corbyn has done or said that indicates that this is true.Jeremy Taylor said:He may not have announced his support for the acts themselves, but his behaviour clearly shows much sympathy for the IRA course and a breathtaking lack of concern for terrorist actions against his own country.
You ignored my question. Are both NI and the rest of the UK better off since the deal?I'm suggesting it was a shameful surrender.
It was clearly neither of these. It was certainly not Corbyn's job. This is why he got pressured by his own party not to do it.Pally as in meeting at the pub for a pint? Or meeting on political business that happens to be their jobs.
I've heard it claimed but I've neve seen any evidence..
Depends what you meant by pally. Given that neither of us knows whether Adams is really a provo I have to say that you're argument that Corbyn is sympathetic to terrorism is shaky and bordering on completely invalid.
You ignored my question. Are both NI and the rest of the UK better off since the deal?
So, Blair and Major were not forward thinking enough to wait for 9/11Probably. But Syria was better off before the Civil War and Iraq was better off under Saddam than it has been for a lot of the time since his fall. Peace usually has benefits, but that doesn't mean there can't be a shameful and ignoble peace.
The irony is that the IRA always got a lot of support from America. They didn't know it, but if Major and Blair had held out until after 9/11, they might not have needed to surrender in such a way.
So, Blair and Major were not forward thinking enough to wait for 9/11
Why was it a surrender? Why does one side have to win? Wasn't it really a draw?
The alternative being to continue with army in NI, fear of bombs in London, Birmingham, Manchester, etc.
No the peace deal benefitted the UK and NI in particular has benefitted.
The IRA will likely achieve its aim. The territory is in perpetual limbo now.But did the IRA achieve its aim? A Unified Ireland?
Nelson Mandela was once classed as a terrorist.
You always talk of victory, defeat and surrender. Widen your approach, use words like negotiation, reconciliation, compromise.
I don't want to argue about Sinn Fein and Irish history so I will say no more on this other than I believe Corbyn's willingness to speak to some unsavoury characters seems to be motivated by a genuine desire for dialogue and peace. The peace process seems to validate his instincts. So it is not reasonable to claim he supports or sympathises with terror and terrorists.Jeremy Taylor said:The point is certain Sinn Fein was always known as a front for the IRA. Corbyn, at the height of the troubles, was meeting with Sinn Fein, on his own volition, against his party's wishes, to show his solidarity with them and their side. This shows, not only an absurd disregard for his own nation and its interests, but at least a lack of care about the terrorist nature of the IRA.
Except that often you have to fight or worse will come. If you surrender to terrorism, often, you invite more. Imagine the signal that would go out if one backed down immediately any time one was attacked. Is that what you are advocating? As I said, perhaps we could have a surrender day to go with Remembrance Day, where we all wave white flags and have a minutes running away. Would you like to organise that?It is a terrible trait of the left that they do not want to send thousands of young people to war and kill many thousands of innocents in collateral damage. Instead they try to negotiate a peace. What folly! How the hell will the arms firms that fund my party survive if we don't spend billions and billions on their weapons.
Discourse will not always work but it is certainly worth trying and not being condemned as idiocy.