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Labour Leadership Contest
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Yerda
Veteran Member
They aren't going to win a GE with any of the doughnuts on the ballot. I say we all sit back and laugh as Labour goes postal on itself.
Yerda
Veteran Member
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ip-vote-registration-deadline-website-crashes
Labour has extended the deadline for people to sign up to vote for its new leader after its website crashed and dozens of supporters of Jeremy Corbyn began to raise concerns about being excluded.
It's hardly promising when one of the parties essentially trying to convince us that it deserves to be the diabolical establishment can't even cook up a conspiracy on their own website. Good God, bring back the robber barons, I refuse to be ruled by these halfwits.
Labour has extended the deadline for people to sign up to vote for its new leader after its website crashed and dozens of supporters of Jeremy Corbyn began to raise concerns about being excluded.
It's hardly promising when one of the parties essentially trying to convince us that it deserves to be the diabolical establishment can't even cook up a conspiracy on their own website. Good God, bring back the robber barons, I refuse to be ruled by these halfwits.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Yes.
Because we need a capable opposition, the SNP can't do it on their own.
Yerda
Veteran Member
Do you think any of the candidates can galvanise the Labour party into anything resembling a capable opposition?
Altfish
Veteran Member
No. Unfortunately.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Well it is certain to be one of them....
which rules out any hope for the next general election.
Unfortunately they seem to have very few up and comers who have made any sort of mark to take things to the next level in the near future.
There seems to be no obvious opposition leader in any party to keep the Tories in bounds either.
We have had a coalition government...perhaps we need a coalition opposition.
which rules out any hope for the next general election.
Unfortunately they seem to have very few up and comers who have made any sort of mark to take things to the next level in the near future.
There seems to be no obvious opposition leader in any party to keep the Tories in bounds either.
We have had a coalition government...perhaps we need a coalition opposition.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Unfortunately Labour has lost the 2020 election already. The only hope they have is that the Tories implode by perhaps being more nasty than currently.
Yerda
Veteran Member
Do you think anyone at all in the Labour party could achieve this?
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
The Tories have a number of Mckinsey trained men in their ranks who have a natural affinity with right-wing republican politics. This has provided them with a number of leaders and potential leaders with a good grasp of how to make things happen. They also have any number of those with a boosted self belief in their right to lead through their education at Eton and other leading schools, and universities.
Neither Labour nor the Liberals are short of those with academic achievement and leading professionals (this is their natural power base). But are more associated with academia and the law and general intelligentsia, than power and raw commerce. Nevertheless they both have flowerings of leadership qualities that can overcome the rather dead hand of uneducated socialism.
The problem is that now no one comes to mind.
Neither Labour nor the Liberals are short of those with academic achievement and leading professionals (this is their natural power base). But are more associated with academia and the law and general intelligentsia, than power and raw commerce. Nevertheless they both have flowerings of leadership qualities that can overcome the rather dead hand of uneducated socialism.
The problem is that now no one comes to mind.
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Corbyn may well be a more competent opposition leader than the other three, though it depends on how the press reports him asking serious questions at PMQs & Cameron responding iwth ridicule rather than answering the question (cf Kinnock vs Thatcher)
I really can't see Cooper, Burnham or especially Kendall doing anything worthwhile with the Labour party at all. Hard to know who else they have.
As for the LibDems.. I'm not a fan of Farron, but there wasn't much competition (and he does have the safest LD seat by a long way). They're going to need to be seroiusly vocal, those handful that are left.
Sultan Of Swing
Well-Known Member
Corbyn is apparently the most likely candidate to support a "no" vote in next year's EU referendum, I thought you might like him!
Other than that, I think with him in charge Labour would finally have a good opposition. When Cameron wants to go bombing Syria this September, Corbyn is going to give him a very tough time, as well as bringing back issues like nationalisation that the Labour party has forgotten about and just isn't discussed in the public sphere anymore. (Contrary to popular belief, nationalisation is not some crazy left-wing agenda, before the days of Thatcher even the Tories supported some nationalisation)
To clarify, I really don't agree with Corbyn on much, and if he does win the Labour nomination, I do hope he doesn't win the general election in 2020. That being said, he would make a good Leader of the Opposition in my opinion, even if he does want to rid the country of monarchy, give Northern Ireland away, make friends with Hezbollah and use quantitative easing (creating money out of thin air) to invest in public services (a crazy idea!). He might be a crazy lefty, but he's a crazy lefty with conviction! He seems like a genuine sincere man, not a careerist, and will hopefully stop this country getting involved in pointless foreign wars.
Ultimatum
Classical Liberal
Well, that would be a good start! Unfortunately,
In a statement released to the Guardian, Corbyn said: “Labour should set out its own clear position to influence negotiations, working with our European allies to set out a reform agenda to benefit ordinary Europeans across the continent. We cannot be content with the state of the EU as it stands. But that does not mean walking away, but staying to fight together for a better Europe.”
So he is, therefore, spineless, and is hopping along on the status-quo train. He hasn't a definite position--but holds a let's wait and see approach.
Sultan Of Swing
Well-Known Member
Fair enough. It seems most eurosceptics in both parties are taking this let's wait and see approach, can't really understand it myself when the EU's fundamental problems are to do with the sovereignty of nations and so go to the institution's very core, and certainly cannot be reformed.
Ultimatum
Classical Liberal
Yes. it's the ridiculous middle way fallacy.
The only way the "no" campaign can win is if it maintains a consistent, intellectual argument that EU membership is wrong in principle. IF this principle is abandoned, as is maintained by Jeremy Corbyn, thus enters the messy argument over "reform". And WHEN Mr. Cameron has the full details of the renegotiation, the "no" campaign will have very little time to rebut and critique his package, had we not consistently done so in the run up to the referendum. BUT if we maintain that the middle way fallacy is tactically idiotic, it is then that we have a chance.
I, therefore, have no time for Mr. Corbyn.
Mycroft
Ministry of Serendipity
Who else are you going to vote for?
Liz Kendall? her permanent air of an office manager who has just come back from a course, couldn’t lure a voter out of a burning building – and her whole campaign is based on changing Labour to be whatever people who hate it want it to be.
Andy Burnham? He looks as if he has carved Fireman Sam’s face off and laid it carelessly across his own skull – and would soon have Labour polling lower than Mrs Brown’s balls – wants to change the party into something bold and exciting. You’ve got to ask the question: well, why hasn’t he? It’s not as if he’s spent the last 15 years working at Asda.
Yvette Cooper? Her name sounds like something Jeremy Corbyn drove in the 1960s. She says Corbyn doesn’t have answers for the future. She doesn’t have a particularly firm grasp of the future either, as she spent the first three months of this year telling us that Ed Miliband would be prime minister. Of course, as Cooper and Kendall have pointed out, there is sexism in the contest, as there is everywhere. Cooper must wonder just how entrenched it is when her call to end detention for asylum seekers was overshadowed by Jeremy Corbyn taking the night bus.
Ultimatum
Classical Liberal
I'm not voting for Labour.
Jeremy Taylor
Active Member
The obvious opposition to the Blairite, Europhile triumvirate of Lib-Lab-Cons would be UKIP, shambolic Dad's Army as they are. I don't know why mainstream left-liberals don't like the current government. It is, after all, led by the self-proclaimed heir to Blair.
Corbyn is a disgrace. A friend to Sinn Fein and the likes of Gerry Adams.
Corbyn is a disgrace. A friend to Sinn Fein and the likes of Gerry Adams.