Blindinglight
Disciple of Chaos
Not really. To imply Karma implies a believe in a God, is to suggest gravity implies the existance of a God.
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I merely see no evidence for Karma. Criminals get away with heinous murders. Manical leaders such as Mao Zedung get away with abusing their power. If you try hard enough and are very selective, you can find "evidence" for anything you wish to believe in.
You don't have to believe in good and evil to believe in karma. Karma exists even without the judgment. It is not a punishment/reward system. As many have said, it is natural law.Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Karma like, if you do something good for a stranger something good will happen to you?
If so, you missed my point. I do not believe good, evil, right, and wrong to be absolute concepts, but more of personal opinions. If I am correct, then the concept of a Universal Karma is absurd.
No.Okay. Most people think that Karma can exist without God settling the accounts him or herself.
But I think that it is merely us looking at someone, thinking, "they've done something wrong, and what happens to them?" If we wait long enough, something will set their plans back, even should it not be directly related to us. If Karma exists as many people see it, like the evening of an account, would that not mean someone, or something is keeping track of the Karma account?
Put simply, no. Karma is a reaction to action. Karma in itself is benign. As Lilithu states it is not a cosmic scorecard, but rather a natural relflex action of reality's reaction to a given action. Plain and simple with no need of guide dogs... err gods. In all sincerity it is only the most primitive belief systems that stand behind the existence of a judgmental God weighing every action like some psychotic cosmic accountant. Besides that, Karma without an emphasis on some illusory god concept keeps the onus on the individual to "do the right thing". The individual is always welcome to "do the wrong thing" due to free will, but theoretically they will not have a very pleasant or fulfilling life experience.Okay. Most people think that Karma can exist without God settling the accounts him or herself.
But I think that it is merely us looking at someone, thinking, "they've done something wrong, and what happens to them?" If we wait long enough, something will set their plans back, even should it not be directly related to us. If Karma exists as many people see it, like the evening of an account, would that not mean someone, or something is keeping track of the Karma account?
Thanks for all replies so far.
I thought that you were asking whether karma necessarily implies the existence of a higher being. I thought that was the topic of discussion. I and others have been trying to tell you, no. And to illustrate how something can "even out" without there being a higher being, I used gravity as an example.I think that there is a major difference between gravity and karma. We can model gravity. We have physical equations to understand the process of gravity. Karma, as we all see it, does not work in a consistent fashion, in the sense that if we do the exact same deed, we do not receive the exact same karma, in that we get what we had coming in a different manner. However, if I throw my ball in the air, it always comes back down in the exact same manner, due to gravity.
To compare karma and gravity to me, leaves me to ask: is there any way I can work out my karma in advance of me being immoral, and the gravity of the karma I receive in return?
Buddhists and Hindus pretty much agree. The only significant difference in "flavor" would be the Western conception of karma, which does tend to view it as punishment and reward.I don't think karma implies the existence of a God. There are a few different flavors of karma.
Maybe there are karma particles, or waves. Maybe it's something else. The point is, whether you believe in karma or not, that karma is conceived of as a natural law. It happens on its own. There is no god judging and meting out reward and punishment.Karma as natural law? That's new. Are there little karma particles bouncing around the universe? What is the mathematics behind the natural law of karma.
Jesus Christ people. Start thinking for a change.
I don't think karma implies the existence of a God. There are a few different flavors of karma.
Karma as natural law? That's new. Are there little karma particles bouncing around the universe? What is the mathematics behind the natural law of karma.
Jesus Christ people. Start thinking for a change.
In the Dharmic traditions, karma is not conceived of as a reward/punishment. It is the natural result of your actions. The Westernized version seems to present it as a judgment.What is the difference between Buddhistic and Hindu Karma and Westernised Karma? I had only though of Karma as one idea.