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Just Believe

nPeace

Veteran Member
I just can't believe it. o_O
How does a person believe in something for which they have no evidence?
How can one just believe in a god, when they have absolutely no evidence?
I don't get it. :confused:
To me, that's like one standing on the edge of a mountain, without any glider, singing, "I believe I can fly. I believe I can touch the sky. I dream about it every night and day. Spread my wings and fly away."

hiker-standing-at-edge-of-cliff-matt-andrew.jpg


Then jumps.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. SPLAT

Is that not idiotic? :shrug:

That's not faith either. It's stupidity, imo.
The Bible does not even support such an absurd idea.
If Jesus just wanted people to have faith without evidence, he would have simply walked around; looked people in the face; smiled, and said, "Hey. I'm the Messiah. Believe it. :)"

However, Jesus performed great signs, and used the scriptures to teach with authority, giving people evidence - reason to believe, and exercise faith. Is that not so?
So can someone help me out here. How does a person believe in a god, without evidence? I know there are quite a number of those who call themselves Christians, who think this way. Blind faith, they call it.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
First, recognize that you have no evidence whatever that God does not exist. So your incredulity is an unsupportable bias. And given that the lack of evidence is equal, either way, you are logically being afforded a choice. Just pick one and see if it works for you. If not, pick another.

In the end all "evidence" means is that an idea "works" with our conception of reality.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I just can't believe it. o_O
How does a person believe in something for which they have no evidence?
How can one just believe in a god, when they have absolutely no evidence?
I don't get it. :confused:
To me, that's like one standing on the edge of a mountain, without any glider, singing, "I believe I can fly. I believe I can touch the sky. I dream about it every night and day. Spread my wings and fly away."

hiker-standing-at-edge-of-cliff-matt-andrew.jpg


Then jumps.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. SPLAT

Is that not idiotic? :shrug:

That's not faith either. It's stupidity, imo.
The Bible does not even support such an absurd idea.
If Jesus just wanted people to have faith without evidence, he would have simply walked around; looked people in the face; smiled, and said, "Hey. I'm the Messiah. Believe it. :)"

However, Jesus performed great signs, and used the scriptures to teach with authority, giving people evidence - reason to believe, and exercise faith. Is that not so?
So can someone help me out here. How does a person believe in a god, without evidence? I know there are quite a number of those who call themselves Christians, who think this way. Blind faith, they call it.
One person's evidence is another person's hearsay....
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
However, Jesus performed great signs, and used the scriptures to teach with authority, giving people evidence - reason to believe, and exercise faith. Is that not so?
That has as much evidence as Mohammed having flown to heaven on a winged horse. Nothing more than nice stories written in a book. With as much evidence as wood kids growing a nose when they lie, like in Pinocchio. Beliefs that now belong to the infancy of the human race.

Time to grow up and recognise what all those claims are about. Human myths, or just simple fiction. Believed only by people who do not have what it takes to realise the reality that we are destined to eternal oblivion, exactly at the time that machine between our ears stops working.

Ciao

- viole
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
That has as much evidence as Mohammed having flown to heaven on a winged horse. Nothing more than nice stories written in a book. With as much evidence as wood kids growing a nose when they lie, like in Pinocchio.

Time to grow up and recognise what all those claims are about. Human myths, or just simple fiction.

Ciao

- viole

Kierkegaard, the great Kierkegaard would agree with the OP:)
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Kierkegaard, the great Kierkegaard would agree with the OP:)
I would expect many people would agree with the OP. People, in general, who do not accept their obvious destiny of eternal oblivion. And because of that, they make up things that would avoid that destiny.

Ciao

- viole
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
I just can't believe it. o_O
How does a person believe in something for which they have no evidence?
How can one just believe in a god, when they have absolutely no evidence?
I don't get it. :confused:

..
However, Jesus performed great signs, and used the scriptures to teach with authority, giving people evidence - reason to believe, and exercise faith. Is that not so?
So can someone help me out here. How does a person believe in a god, without evidence? I know there are quite a number of those who call themselves Christians, who think this way. Blind faith, they call it.
No theist comes to a rational and objective conclusion a God exists via facts and data. Theists end up believing in whatever religious framework they due because they were exposed to it in their social experience and adopted it. Much of this is a result of how the human brain evolved to belong and conform to group norms. This helped humans survive in our early evolution, and this trait is left over. We are very triable and we tie personal meaning to the beliefs of our tribes.

The mistake I see many theists make is that their beliefs are rational and deliberate.
 

Suave

Simulated character
I just can't believe it. o_O
How does a person believe in something for which they have no evidence?
How can one just believe in a god, when they have absolutely no evidence?
I don't get it. :confused:
To me, that's like one standing on the edge of a mountain, without any glider, singing, "I believe I can fly. I believe I can touch the sky. I dream about it every night and day. Spread my wings and fly away."

hiker-standing-at-edge-of-cliff-matt-andrew.jpg


Then jumps.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. SPLAT

Is that not idiotic? :shrug:

That's not faith either. It's stupidity, imo.
The Bible does not even support such an absurd idea.
If Jesus just wanted people to have faith without evidence, he would have simply walked around; looked people in the face; smiled, and said, "Hey. I'm the Messiah. Believe it. :)"

However, Jesus performed great signs, and used the scriptures to teach with authority, giving people evidence - reason to believe, and exercise faith. Is that not so?
So can someone help me out here. How does a person believe in a god, without evidence? I know there are quite a number of those who call themselves Christians, who think this way. Blind faith, they call it.

Our genetic code's creator has left this mathematical pattern in our genetic code conveying to me the symbol of an Egyptian triangle as well as the number 37 embedded in our genetic code.

Eight of the canonical amino acids can be sufficiently defined by the composition of their codon's first and second base nucleotides. The nucleon sum of these amino acids' side chains is 333 (=37 * 3 squared), the sun of their block nucleons (basic core structure) is 592 (=37 * 4 squared), and the sum of their total nucleons is 925 (=37 * 5 squared ). With 37 factored out, this results in 3 squared + 4 squared + 5 squared, which is representative of an Egyptian triangle. Based on this signal of intelligence left in our genetic code, I suspect our genetic coding was created by a greater intelligence beyond the limited scope of us humans on Earth.


The 3 main words (God, the heaven, the earth) in Hebrew have a gematria numeric value of 777 (111x7), ". which is divisible by 37.

The numeric value of the entire verse is 2701 which is divisible by 37.

We may now proceed to finding the number 37 interlaced in the first verse of the Bible. We can do this by discovering words or groups of words with number values evenly divisible by 37, e.g. the 3 main words (“God” + ”the heaven” + ”the earth” = 777 = 21x37), the 5 first words (“In the beginning” + “created” + “God” + “*” + “the heaven” = 1998 = 54x37), or the last two words separately (“and” = 407 = 11x37 and “the earth” = 296 = 8x37)

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Brian2

Veteran Member
I just can't believe it. o_O
How does a person believe in something for which they have no evidence?
How can one just believe in a god, when they have absolutely no evidence?
I don't get it. :confused:
To me, that's like one standing on the edge of a mountain, without any glider, singing, "I believe I can fly. I believe I can touch the sky. I dream about it every night and day. Spread my wings and fly away."

hiker-standing-at-edge-of-cliff-matt-andrew.jpg


Then jumps.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. SPLAT

Is that not idiotic? :shrug:

That's not faith either. It's stupidity, imo.
The Bible does not even support such an absurd idea.
If Jesus just wanted people to have faith without evidence, he would have simply walked around; looked people in the face; smiled, and said, "Hey. I'm the Messiah. Believe it. :)"

However, Jesus performed great signs, and used the scriptures to teach with authority, giving people evidence - reason to believe, and exercise faith. Is that not so?
So can someone help me out here. How does a person believe in a god, without evidence? I know there are quite a number of those who call themselves Christians, who think this way. Blind faith, they call it.

Faith is good even if the reasons for it are not necessarily intellectual for some people.
Interestingly I used to know someone (New Ager) who believed the only reason we can't fly is that we are brought up to believe we can't.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
It's saying I have no evidence someone will catch me but faith will make it possible.
o_Oo_Oo_O
Stupidity. Yes?
If one has no evidence that someone will catch them, and they jumped out the twin towers, they might have well have said, "I have no evidence that this plane won't explode, but faith might cause it not to, and I will survive. I mean, it's like 90 stories off the ground."
That's fear. Not faith.
No evidence. No faith. Just blind emotional... I can't even call it a belief.

Hence the blessed is those who believe and have not seen
Have not seen what? The wind?
Blessed are those who believe and has not seen me. (John 20:26-29)
One does not have to see the wind, but they might hear it, or feel it. Hence believe.
One does not have to see Jesus, but what they hear, and learn, and observe or experience, gives them rational reason for believing.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
First, recognize that you have no evidence whatever that God does not exist. So your incredulity is an unsupportable bias. And given that the lack of evidence is equal, either way, you are logically being afforded a choice. Just pick one and see if it works for you. If not, pick another.

In the end all "evidence" means is that an idea "works" with our conception of reality.

One person's evidence is another person's hearsay....
Please define evidence.

But what about the scriptures of other religions? What is it about yours that makes it better evidence than theirs?
Who said anything about scriptural evidence?
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
The evidence that God does not exist is that there is no evidence that He does.
Where's the beef? Anecdotes, feelings, unsupported claims, uncorroborated ancient tales do not cut it.

Isn't it a choice not to believe the things that you say "do not cut it"-------the evidence.
You say there is no evidence and then list some of the evidence that you reject. (and of course there is more that you also reject)
 
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