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Jesus used dark energy to walk on water

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by Jonathan Ainsley Bain, Jun 19, 2017.

  1. Jonathan Ainsley Bain

    Jonathan Ainsley Bain Logical Positivist

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    ok, so I am being a wee bit speculative here.
    But let me explain why I think this before you scoff, scorn and scowl.

    Firstly dark energy must exist or else all the mass in the universe would be
    pulled together by gravity into a single big blob of matter.

    So there must be a 'force' that overpowered gravity in the early stage
    of the universe to be able to split all the mass into separate celestial bodies.

    Now we know that God created the universe, so dark energy must be a
    creative force of mind that God used to split up the singularity at the
    start of the universe. And Jesus walked on water due to faith, so he
    must have used something to overpower gravity, and the only candidate
    is the mysterious dark energy.

    So dark energy is faith.

    I just can't figure out the details; yet.
    Any inspiration would be appreciated.

    ;-j
     
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  2. Kilgore Trout

    Kilgore Trout Misanthropic Humanist

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    Wrong. Jesus was simply lighter than air. Everyone knows that demigods are composed largely of helium.
     
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  3. BSM1

    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    So much for the thundering voices....
     
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  4. Jaiket

    Jaiket Well-Known Member

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    Dark energy isn't a force.
     
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    shunyadragon Well-Known Member
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    I believe Jesus knew where the rocks were,
     
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    Or full of some kind of gas or another. OR . . . .

    [​IMG]

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  7. Nakosis

    Nakosis Barnacle Bill the Sailor
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    I kind of assumed it was just a dream.

    "152:4.2 Darkness descended upon them, for there had arisen a strong and contrary wind which made progress almost impossible. As the hours of darkness and hard rowing passed, Peter grew weary and fell into a deep sleep of exhaustion. Andrew and James put him to rest on the cushioned seat in the stern of the boat. While the other apostles toiled against the wind and the waves, Peter dreamed a dream; he saw a vision of Jesus coming to them walking on the sea. When the Master seemed to walk on by the boat, Peter cried out, "Save us, Master, save us." And those who were in the rear of the boat heard him say some of these words. As this apparition of the night season continued in Peter's mind, he dreamed that he heard Jesus say: "Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid." This was like the balm of Gilead to Peter's disturbed soul; it soothed his troubled spirit, so that (in his dream) he cried out to the Master: "Lord, if it really is you, bid me come and walk with you on the water." And when Peter started to walk upon the water, the boisterous waves frightened him, and as he was about to sink, he cried out, "Lord, save me!" And many of the twelve heard him utter this cry. Then Peter dreamed that Jesus came to the rescue and, stretching forth his hand, took hold and lifted him up, saying: "O, you of little faith, wherefore did you doubt?"

    Jesus walks on water
     
  8. Jonathan Ainsley Bain

    Jonathan Ainsley Bain Logical Positivist

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    So then how is it that the entire universe, at its origin,
    did not stay eternally as a big dull blob, held together by gravity?

    *Speculation permitted*
     
  9. Jaiket

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    Crikey, I haven't the foggiest idea. Dark energy might explain this or might not.

    When you use the word force I'm thinking of the four fundamental forces or anything that can be represented on the left hand side of F=ma. Dark energy insofar as I understand anything about it seems to be a placeholder for all the missing enegy in the universe that the models of cosmology require.

    I can't get my head around the idea that Jesus used it to walk on water. What does that mean?
     
  10. Jonathan Ainsley Bain

    Jonathan Ainsley Bain Logical Positivist

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    Well, the Jesus bit is semi-tongue-in-cheek speculation;
    I'm hoping others might be inspired to answer better than the opening post.

    The way I see it, for dark energy to overcome all the gravity in the universe,
    it must also be a force (in opposition to gravity); and thus it would have to be a fifth fundamental force;
    (this is a bit more serious speculation than the Jesus bit)
    Still the 4 original forces don't seem to fit the expansion/inflation models
    from what I can see - specifically expansion must be a force - and it
    seems quite reasonable to see this as (at least) part of the dark energy that
    overcame gravity at the start of the universe.

    To put God into that gap, was something of a putty-fix that also fits
    Jesus walking on water - both overcoming gravity - for reasons mostly unfathomable (so far).
     
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    Mr Bain

    dark energy is faith.
    Please refresh my memory. Who was around to have this faith at the Big Bang?
     
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    Seems like ridiculous speculation.

    Then again, no I don't think so. Dark matter is just a theory, and belongs in that unknown category.
     
  13. Brad Watson_Miami

    Brad Watson_Miami "7 Seals"/'Beyond Einstein Theories'

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    Kilgore Trout,

    For the record...

    Do you believe in GOD?
    Jesus son of Joseph was God-incarnate?
    The Christ returns to
    "judge everyone according to their actions"?
     
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    That's either deep, or the water was shallow...

    Boom-tish
     
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    Floating rocks
     
  16. Jainarayan

    Jainarayan ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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    All those figs. I once got happy eating dried figs. Oy vey! :eek:
     
  17. Jonathan Ainsley Bain

    Jonathan Ainsley Bain Logical Positivist

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    People used to think it was ridiculous speculation that people could fly.
    Nobody ever uncovered the unknown other than by wild speculation.
    I was talking about dark energy, not dark matter, btw.
     
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    I'm going to need more inference. What would seem to be, if you were nearby, etc. Stuff like that.
     
  19. syncretic

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    the op is pretty vague
     
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    There is a difference between wild speculation, and speculation.
    Does it really matter?
     
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