cambridge79
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Do we really need a man to suffer, to be tortured, be humiliated and ultimately be crucified and killed ( temporarily ) in order to follow him?
Of course we dont. We just need a just man that talks sense possibly with a bit of charisma. We follow all sort of people for all sorts of reasons all the time why would be different for him.
Do we really need a man to suffer, to be tortured, be humiliated and ultimately be crucified and killed to recognize him as the son of god?
People may say nobody would have followed him without that sacrifice, well Muhammad didn't sacrifice himself and more than one and a half billions people follow him. And apparently he worked for the same god too.
Do we really need a man to suffer, to be tortured, be humiliated and ultimately be crucified and killed to see he is the son of god?
I say we dont. That guy according to the gospels already did all sort of miracles, walked on water, multiplied food, exorcised people, gave back the sight to blind people even freakin raised a dead person. What s the point of one more act of magic after all of that, especially of such gory nature?
Do we really need a man to suffer, to be tortured, be humiliated and ultimately be crucified and killed to recognize him as the son of god?
Only true reason is that it would fulfill a prophecy present in the bible and since the bible is god inspired than why put that particular prophecy there in first place than? Simply tell he would be able to fly for example and than have him fly over the temple. I guarantee it would be more than enough. No need to torture and kill him.
Does a man really need to suffer, to be tortured, be humiliated and ultimately be crucified and killed to be the son of god?
I ve always heard god is so great because he incarnated in order to experience first hand our human condition but that is pointless cause god by definition already knows everything. Its like me rolling naked in the snow to experience cold. I already know cold, dont need to do that.
Does a man really need to suffer, to be tortured, be humiliated and ultimately be crucified and killed to be the son of god?
That would simply align with the tradition of scapegoating that god himself set up in first place, which again makes no sense.
Again however I see it the idea of Jesus suffering on the cross seems completely unnecessary and pointless and absolutely doesn't look like the best plan the most wise and just being in the universe can come up with to send us a message.
Of course we dont. We just need a just man that talks sense possibly with a bit of charisma. We follow all sort of people for all sorts of reasons all the time why would be different for him.
Do we really need a man to suffer, to be tortured, be humiliated and ultimately be crucified and killed to recognize him as the son of god?
People may say nobody would have followed him without that sacrifice, well Muhammad didn't sacrifice himself and more than one and a half billions people follow him. And apparently he worked for the same god too.
Do we really need a man to suffer, to be tortured, be humiliated and ultimately be crucified and killed to see he is the son of god?
I say we dont. That guy according to the gospels already did all sort of miracles, walked on water, multiplied food, exorcised people, gave back the sight to blind people even freakin raised a dead person. What s the point of one more act of magic after all of that, especially of such gory nature?
Do we really need a man to suffer, to be tortured, be humiliated and ultimately be crucified and killed to recognize him as the son of god?
Only true reason is that it would fulfill a prophecy present in the bible and since the bible is god inspired than why put that particular prophecy there in first place than? Simply tell he would be able to fly for example and than have him fly over the temple. I guarantee it would be more than enough. No need to torture and kill him.
Does a man really need to suffer, to be tortured, be humiliated and ultimately be crucified and killed to be the son of god?
I ve always heard god is so great because he incarnated in order to experience first hand our human condition but that is pointless cause god by definition already knows everything. Its like me rolling naked in the snow to experience cold. I already know cold, dont need to do that.
Does a man really need to suffer, to be tortured, be humiliated and ultimately be crucified and killed to be the son of god?
That would simply align with the tradition of scapegoating that god himself set up in first place, which again makes no sense.
Again however I see it the idea of Jesus suffering on the cross seems completely unnecessary and pointless and absolutely doesn't look like the best plan the most wise and just being in the universe can come up with to send us a message.
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