JESUS, God, the Ordinal First and Last

[101G]

I take umbrage to your arrogance and notice your frustration is building with little outbursts.

arrogance? we see you have no clue to the difference between arrogance and confidents. U might need to look that word "confident" up .....

101G.

 

[Boris Norris]

arrogance? we see you have no clue to the difference between arrogance and confidents. U might need to look that word "confident" up .....

101G.

I am well rehearsed in the difference and reiterate what I said. You cannot possibly know what any god thinks or says and if you do, that to me is arrogant.

 

[joelr]

and what was they formed from? meaning the (hydrogen and helium gas). your answer please.

The laws of physics. We do not know the origin of physics. We see natural forces at play creating change. No Gods. Before the big bang we do not know. It's ok to not know. If you propose a deity you need evidence. Legends are not evidence.

well then, your so-called, "Good evidence" as you say,

No, picking something we haven't yet figured out doesn't mean it's from the Hindu God Brahman. Or your God Yahweh.
Centuries ago people said the same about disease, storms, drought. It's from God. People got sick and it was from a God. Scientists suggested germ theory and people laughed at them. Same with lightning and the motion of the planets. They said God did it because we did not have the science to explain it.
We don't know some things still. Placing God at that point is the common God of the Gaps fallacy.

well your "Good evidence" is faulty when you say "We don't know where the laws of physics came from". yes, YOU DON'T KNOW.
but, and that's with one t..... (smile), but, any LAW that is enacted has to be written FIRST, given instruction, a decree ...... (smile).... U know where I'm going.

So you don't know what "laws" are in nature. They are not laws at all. At a certain temperature water boils. It isn't a LAW that it has to boil. It's because the water molecules reach a temperature and this reaction happens. It's the same with all laws of physics. We find out at what temperature, speed, energy, length of time, something happens and call it a law. It's nature. NAture obviously can create things without having a concious mind. There is no God in this reasoning.
Deism, a God at the beginning of all reality doesn't have a solid argument, but even if it did, that doesn't prove Allah, Zeus, Yahweh or any other mythical deity is real.

not all of them. some said the world was on the back of a turtle, and there was some who said, the EARTH was not the center of the solar system..... and? that's nothing new.

Yes, the turtle people were wrong. The God people are also wrong. So?

again, your so-called "good evidence" is null and void, because U DON'T KNOW.

Right, we don't know what happened before the big bang. I didn't say that was "good evidence"? I said we don't know.

now hear this all-hands-on deck. Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Hebrews 11:2 "For by it the elders obtained a good report." Hebrews 11:3 "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." READ THAT LAST PART AGAIN.

This is certainly not good evidence? A book? Yes, all religions during that time and before all had to say "have faith" because there is no evidence. And it's wrong. The world is made of rocks, you can see them. Before that it was gas. You can see that.
It's trying to say it's made of spirit magic. Ok? Lord of the Rings, Hinduism, and all religions say that. It's a fantasy myth with no evidence.

Do you have any actual evidence?

what's not seen is the sub atomic world. the quantum physics world. where Atoms made of quark which combine are called hadrons, which make up atomic nuclei, consisting of stable protons and neutrons. yes, like your hydrogen and helium gas. God made all these things .... and more. so. how small do the sub-atomic world go? only God KNOWS, for he created all of it.

Wow, funny how it doesn't say anything about that in scripture? We can see them with electron microscopes.
It doesn't say things that are small does it? Nope. It says it's made of invisible things, which was spirit. Things that do not appear. Subatomic thinghs appear. You can see photons. In fact you can see atoms with your eye, they DO APPEAR?????? When you get enough of them , they APPEAR!!!
So that isn't what that passage is talking about. It' stalking about ghost spirit matter, which every religion talks about and is more fantasy.

and, also no there was no BIG BANG, nor a LITTLE BANG. no bang, just "GOD".

Again, claims, with NO EVIDENCE. This time it's God of the Gaps fallacy. Getting worse.

LOL, LOL, LOL, "likely?', and you call that...... good evidence? .... likely means a GUESS? and U still don't KNOW. so much for good evidence.

when you have something solid in God creation, then come and see 101G.


101G.

HA HA HA HA HA, meanwhile your evidence is a BOOK of mythology??? HA HA HA HA HA HA That starts out with a re-working of Mesopotamian stories? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Yeah, that's real.......

Oh, and my "guess" (not a guess) is based on actual science. The 4 fundamental laws are likely the cause of a super-law breaking symmetry.
There are actual models in physics that make this a possibility. It wasn't a "guess" at all, it's an actual very possible scientific theory?

Note - "Below is an attempt to illustrate the "spontaneous symmetry breaking" which is presumed to have separated the original force into the four forces which we see operating in the present, "

Way to eat your words. When you have some actual "God" evidence instead of ancient stories, then come and see! HA HA HA HA HA HA

Unification of the Fundamental Forces

hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu

Modeling of the "Big Bang" expansion of the universe at earlier and earlier times has led to the use of the "Planck time" of 10-43 seconds as a proposed interval during which all the fundamental forces were unified into a single force.

Below is an attempt to illustrate the "spontaneous symmetry breaking" which is presumed to have separated the original force into the four forces which we see operating in the present, low temperature universe. Proposed energies and temperatures associated with each of the symmetry breaks are shown along with a modeling of the time elapsed in the big bang model.

 

[101G]

The laws of physics. We do not know the origin of physics.

We do not know the origin of physics
thank you,

101G.

 

[joelr]

We do not know the origin of physics
thank you,

101G.

No one does. Some people pretend to know and say it was Inana, Zeus, Brahman, Yahweh or other. Doesn't look like fictional characters had anything to do with science.
Why you think a part of science that hasn't yet been understood means some character in a book is real is bizarre. Why would you even make this point? Obviously science doesn't know everything. Your book of stories cannot provide even one verification with evidence.

Also, notice the honesty. When there is no evidence to back up a claim, we don't know. You however, have no evidence but have ancient stories. So you have nothing for evidence.

 

[101G]

No one does.

God do, for he wrote every law/decree known to man before man was formed.

Also, notice the honesty. When there is no evidence to back up a claim, we don't know. You however, have no evidence but have ancient stories. So you have nothing for evidence.

(smile). 101G has more that you. U have ZERO/nothing. except what God has allowed. or given you.

101G.

 

[joelr]

God do, for he wrote every law/decree known to man before man was formed.

Uh, no that's a fictional story in a book. You have given zero evidence for any God so far.

(smile). 101G has more that you. U have ZERO/nothing. except what God has allowed. or given you.

101G.

You haven't made an argument? You are basically using "I know you are but what am I"?
I'm sorry, maybe this is what you were looking for -

(something pointless in quotations)Yeah, well, YOU have nothing and there is NO GOD...emoji, emoji, emoji.....

Could you maybe ask this God if he could provide you with some evidence or something?

 

[101G]

Uh, no that's a fictional story in a book. You have given zero evidence for any God so far.

let's see, Job 38:8 "Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?"
metaphorically speaking, we known that there are no actual doors on the sea to keep it from overflowing the land correct. now what law keeps the sea in it's place, especially with tides High and Low? the gravitational pull of the moon correct. now is gravity seen? no. Proverbs 8:29 "When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:"

now thing we cannot see rule this world, just as in gravity, magnetism, electricity, as with the weak and strong nuclear forces. all of these things are already know of in the bible before science even scratch the surface.

scripture, Romans 1:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them." Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

the INVISIBLE things is the quantum world which we has just begin to explore. see these thing was written about in the bible.

let 101G give just a little taste of what the bible is really saying to us. u and many be looking for your word definition as you know them today, but the bible put in simple language. for example this little innonce verse. Matthew 19:26 "But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."
now read this article and see if it don't reveal Matthew 19:26. The quantum world is mind-bogglingly weird

the bible is full of scientific material, but u cannot see it for it is hidden from YOU.

101G.

 

[joelr]

let's see, Job 38:8 "Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?"
metaphorically speaking, we known that there are no actual doors on the sea to keep it from overflowing the land correct. now what law keeps the sea in it's place, especially with tides High and Low? the gravitational pull of the moon correct. now is gravity seen? no. Proverbs 8:29 "When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:"

"Lets see" LOL! Yeah let's see what an ancient book of mythology says. Thousands of years before this Inana controlled the universe:

On the wide and silent plain, darkening the bright daylight, she turns midday into darkness. People look upon each other in anger, they look for combat. Their shouting disturbs the plain, it weighs on the pasture and the waste land. Her howling is like Ickur's and makes the flesh of all the lands tremble. No one can oppose her murderous battle -- who rivals her? No one can look at her fierce fighting, the carnage, the ....... Engulfing (?) water, raging, sweeping over the earth, she leaves nothing behind. The mistress, a breaking plough opening hard ground, ....... The braggarts do not lift their necks, ....... Her great heart performs her bidding, the mistress who alone fashions (?) ....... Exalted in the assembly, she occupies the seat of honour, ...... to the right and left.


60-72Humbling huge mountains as if they were piles of litter, she immobilises ....... She brings about the destruction of the mountain lands from east to west. Inana ...... wall ...... gulgul stones, she obtains victory. She ...... the kalaga stone ...... as if it were an earthenware bowl, she makes it like sheep's fat. The proud mistress holds a dagger in her hand, a radiance which covers the Land; her suspended net piles up fish in the deep, ....... As if she were a clever fowler no bird escapes the mesh of her suspended net. The place she has pulverised ......., ...... the divine plans of heaven and earth. The intention of her word does not ...... to An. The context of her confusing advice in the great gods' assembly is not known.

DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE!!!!

All this time, and still, your evidence still is ................"it's true because it says it's true". Wow, great logic. I guess Inana is real because it says so?

now thing we cannot see rule this world, just as in gravity, magnetism, electricity, as with the weak and strong nuclear forces. all of these things are already know of in the bible before science even scratch the surface.

First of all there is nothing about electricity, the weak/strong force, nothing. Not even close. The writers know tides and floods happen so they attribute a God to holding water back. Inana was also attributed to such things. In the above passage they predict natural geological forces at work that were not known at the time and attribute them to Inana. That is just 2 lines. Hymn to Inana is long and credits Inana with all sorts of natural laws, even human emotion, X and Y chromosomes and so on.
Of course Inana believers today could say "They didn't know about geology and water erosion with mountains, chromosomes and all that stuff".
Ancient people saw the natural world. They saw things and said everything was done by their God. Now centuries later apologists for each God says "look, they knew about this law and this law".....no, they saw natural things and gave credit to their deity. Which is fiction.
Inana is still fiction. Yahweh is still fiction.

scripture, Romans 1:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them." Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

the INVISIBLE things is the quantum world which we has just begin to explore. see these thing was written about in the bible.

Romans 1:20 KJB - For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

What it means - those who are unrighteous before God do not want to know about Him, so they try to suppress the truth about God. To some extent, this is true of all human beings, since we all sin (Romans 3:23). Paul has shown that God has plainly shown what is knowable about Him to everyone (Romans 1:18–19). How has He done that? This verse answers that it is obvious from what He has made.

It means from the invisible parts of Yahweh (spiritual parts) he made the world. It has nothing to do with atoms, quantum mechanics, molecules or any unseen science.

Yes, fictive characters in stories possess powers. So? Inana is attributed to every possible act of creation. It's NOT REAL.
There are hundreds of creation stories, each with a different God. All made up.


To run, to escape, to quiet and to pacify are yours, Inana. To rove around, to rush, to rise up, to fall down and to ...... a companion are yours, Inana. To open up roads and paths, a place of peace for the journey, a companion for the weak, are yours, Inana. To keep paths and ways in good order, to shatter earth and to make it firm are yours, Inana. To destroy, to build up, to tear out and to settle are yours, Inana. To turn a man into a woman and a woman into a man are yours, Inana. Desirability and arousal, goods and property are yours, Inana. Gain, profit, great wealth and greater wealth are yours, Inana. Gaining wealth and having success in wealth, financial loss and reduced wealth are yours, Inana. Observation (1 ms. has instead: Everything), choice, offering, inspection and approval are yours, Inana. Assigning virility, dignity, guardian angels, protective deities and cult centres are yours, Inana.
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132-154...... mercy and pity are yours, Inana. ...... are yours, Inana. To cause the ...... heart to tremble, ...... illnesses are yours, Inana. To have a wife, ......, to love ...... are yours, Inana. To rejoice, to control (?), ...... are yours, Inana. Neglect and care, raising and bowing down are yours, Inana. To build a house, to create a woman's chamber, to possess implements, to kiss a child's lips are yours, Inana. To run, to race, to desire and to succeed are yours, Inana. To interchange the brute and the strong and the weak and the powerless is yours, Inana. To interchange the heights and valleys and the ...... and the plains (?) is yours, Inana. To give the crown, the throne and the royal sceptre is yours, Inana.

let 101G give just a little taste of what the bible is really saying to us. u and many be looking for your word definition as you know them today, but the bible put in simple language. for example this little innonce verse. Matthew 19:26 "But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."
now read this article and see if it don't reveal Matthew 19:26. The quantum world is mind-bogglingly weird

the bible is full of scientific material, but u cannot see it for it is hidden from YOU.

101G.

Uh, no it's Jesus saying God can do things men cannot. All ancient Gods have this power. When Inana speaks what she wants happens, always:
"Once you have said 'So be it', great An does not ...... for him. Your 'So be it' is a 'So be it' of destruction, to destroy ....... Once you have said your ...... in the assembly, An and Enlil will not disperse it. Once you have made a decision ......, it cannot be changed in heaven and earth. Once you have specified approval of a place, it experiences no destruction. Once you have specified destruction for a place, it experiences no approval."

The Quantum world is not mentioned in the Bible any more than it is in Hymn to Inana.
"with God all things are possible"?? Great, not in quantum mechanics. Can't go faster than light. Cannot know position or momentum of an object past a set point. Cannot create or destroy energy.
They have an imaginary deity who can do anything, like a genie. Yes, welcome to fiction. Nothing to do with QM.

But thanks for wasting my time with this flat earth, fake moon landing level conspiracy theory nonsense. Do you have any evidence?

 

[101G]

All this time, and still, your evidence still is ................"it's true because it says it's true". Wow, great logic. I guess Inana is real because it says so?

so answer the question, are there actual doors on the sea? yes, or no. if no... (smile), what is holding the sea back from overflowing the land? just answer the question, you can hold all the vain babbling.

The writers know tides and floods happen so they attribute a God to holding water back. Inana was also attributed to such things. In the above passage they predict natural geological forces at work that were not known at the time and attribute them to Inana. That is just 2 lines. Hymn to Inana is long and credits Inana with all sorts of natural laws, even human emotion, X and Y chromosomes and so on.

First ERROR of the day, just because they didn't have the fancy scientific terminology back then, this is where you and other are IGNORANT at.
so you do acknowledge natural geological forces at work, well they in common language of that say use the best description at their time, "DOORS". see, this is not myths, it's a language barrier, which you and other cannot understand. as you said, "all sorts of natural laws, even human emotion, X and Y chromosomes and so on". well if you can learn and interpret the language, Male, X chromosome, and female, y chromosome, just lear how to read the language of the day.

Romans 1:20 KJB - For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

What it means - those who are unrighteous before God do not want to know about Him, so they try to suppress the truth about God. T

Second ERROR of the Day, READ verse 19 first.... Romans 1:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them."

Uh, no it's Jesus saying God can do things men cannot.

see how IGNORANT you are? Jesus is God. now READ John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 and tell us is this the same one Person who "MADE ALL THINGS", now we will see if you're Intelligent or IGNORANT in reading bible scripture as to understanding it. and if you answer incorrect, that will be your THIRD ERROR of the Day.

now the floor is yours ........ (smile)..........


101G.

 

[joelr]

so answer the question, are there actual doors on the sea? yes, or no. if no... (smile), what is holding the sea back from overflowing the land? just answer the question, you can hold all the vain babbling.

There are no doors. What is holding the sea back? What it is is science the OT writers did not know, so they called it "doors". They can see, like all other old religions, that things fall to the ground and said their God does it.

"She brings about the destruction of the mountain lands from east to west. Inana .." Oh wow look, Inana is responsible for erosion, wow she must be real because erosion is a modern science they couldn't have known about?

"To destroy, to build up, to tear out and to settle are yours, Inana. To turn a man into a woman and a woman into a man are yours, Inana. "

Wow, they predicted laws of nature and biology, must be real!

"Your divinity shines in the pure heavens like Nanna or Utu. Your torch lights up the corners of heaven, turning darkness into light. ...... with fire."

WOW, they predicted the big bang! Inana, you goddesss you, you must be real for your followres to predict the big bang in Sumerian times!!!!!!

A ridiculous game this is. Must you waste my time with every single silly apologetic?

First ERROR of the day, just because they didn't have the fancy scientific terminology back then, this is where you and other are IGNORANT at.
so you do acknowledge natural geological forces at work, well they in common language of that say use the best description at their time, "DOORS". see, this is not myths, it's a language barrier, which you and other cannot understand. as you said, "all sorts of natural laws, even human emotion, X and Y chromosomes and so on". well if you can learn and interpret the language, Male, X chromosome, and female, y chromosome, just lear how to read the language of the day.

YES BUT I WAS TALKING ABOUT SCRIPTURE ABOUT INANA. And Inana is a myth. PROVING and demonstrating that you are reading into this. I can read EVERY myth from any ancient time and find some parallel to modern science. I'm doing it right now with Inana.

Who is NOT REAL, and neither is Yahweh. They could have started by getting pi correct, saying disease is from innvisible germs and basic concepts about the solar system.
The Greeks around the same time figured out a huge amount of science. People are not stupid, they can see water is being held back.
Their Gods are still mythology. Islam uses many scientific concepts, supposedly told to Muhammad. They use that as proof it's really a revelation. Actually people figure things out. At least enough to know something invisible holds the sea back. The Greeks figured out WAY more on their own.

Calling it "doors" is not predicting tidal forces, gravity or anything.

Second ERROR of the Day, READ verse 19 first.... Romans 1:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them."

YOu haven't demonstrated one "error" I have made. Ever.

see how IGNORANT you are?

No but I see how uneducated you are in scripture. Romans 1:19 is about humans having a conscience and understanding what is right in morality. Not science or anything else.
It's common in mythology to take known evolutionary psychological thought processes and claim a God did that. Sorry, billions of years of evolution shaped the many chemicals in brains to be able to work together, survive and not die. To accomplish this empathy and feelings of compassion towards others is needed.

Jesus is God.

In a story. Gandolf is a wizard in another. Krishna is God in another. Don't care.

now READ John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 and tell us is this the same one Person who "MADE ALL THINGS", now we will see if you're Intelligent or IGNORANT in reading bible scripture as to understanding it. and if you answer incorrect, that will be your THIRD ERROR of the Day.

now the floor is yours ........ (smile)..........


101G.

Again, please show me one error you have actually demonstrated. In any post ever between us. It's fairly clear you cannot just have a normal conversation but feel the need to spin around like the robot in Lost in Space "WARNING.....ERROR....ERROR", and it's never actually an error.

But wait, did you just say what I think, ....................OMG, you did. I have never face palmed for so long.

You just did this last post? Ok so AGAIN, your argument is (believe it or not...) it's true because it says it's true.
Wow.
Yes books in the BIBLE will say that God made all things because it's THE SAME RELIGION. that means they worship the SAME GOD.
And will say, in different places , that God made everything.

OH LOOK, INANA. ALSO MADE EVERYTHING


"your precious divine powers; all your divine powers ....... You exercise full ladyship over heaven and earth; you hold everything in your hand.

Which god is like you in gathering together heaven and earth? You are magnificent, your name is praised, you alone are magnificent!"

So by your amazing logic, I have now proven Inana created the heavens and earth.

But I didn't because just because ancient Sumerians (or Israelites) write a story about a deity, does not make it true.

Please consider stopping presenting terrible arguments and then writing ..."(smile)", as if you did something.

 

[101G]

hey can see, like all other old religions, that things fall to the ground and said their God does it.

is this not what you're are doing. question, "is matter real?"

Please consider stopping presenting terrible arguments and then writing ..."(smile)", as if you did something.

please stay on topic, if you believe that's it's a myth, then fine..... leave it alone, or else contribute to the topic as stated, "JESUS, God, the Ordinal First and Last", now if you don't know what an Ordinal is, look it up. and try to disprove it if God is or not an Ordinal of himself ..... OK.

so that will end any ... (smiles) you may encounter..... so let's stay on topic.

thanks in advance.

101G.

 

[joelr]

is this not what you're are doing. question, "is matter real?"

That is a complicated question. Matter is a loose term and generally means things made of atoms. They are not as real as they seem but we are unclear what quantum mechanics is telling us exactly. There seem to be quantum fields and energy,

please stay on topic,

I have been exactly on topic. Please avoid false claims like that

if you believe that's it's a myth, then fine..... leave it alone,

No thank you. I'll post what I like. It's your responsibility to avoid what you don't want to participate in. This is like 1st grade society rules, why do you need a reminder?

or else contribute to the topic as stated, "JESUS, God, the Ordinal First and Last",

I'll post as I see fit. If you don't feel it's on topic, don't reply.

now if you don't know what an Ordinal is, look it up. and try to disprove it if God is or not an Ordinal of himself ..... OK.

so that will end any ... (smiles) you may encounter..... so let's stay on topic.

thanks in advance.

101G.

You haven't demonstrated any Gods are real. You did make a claim that no other religion uses certain concepts. They do. You can find all of that in Hinduism.

"Strictly speaking everything in the universe is a manifestation of Brahman only. Innumerable are his forms and manifestation, but He is One and Alone, without a beginning and without an end. He pervades everything, is hidden in everything and enveloped by all that is here and elsewhere..

The pure Non-Being, or the unmanifested (avyakta) Brahman, without any distinguishing qualities or attributes (nirguna) is the First principle.

When God wakes up from His sleep He becomes Saguna Brahman, Brahman with qualities. Of him, the first appearance is Isvara (or Iswara) as a reflection in the quality of Sattva!

He is the World Soul (Mahan Atma), the Cosmic Egg, that arises out of cosmic waters and engages Himself in the creation of forms and beings. He is the First Born (prathamaja), who manifests forms that are already contained in Him. Symbolically, he represents the rising Sun in the waters of the ocean."

The Highest Manifestations of Brahman

This essay is about the highest manifestations of Brahman in creation, namely Nirguna Brahman, Isvara, Hiranya Garbha and Viraj

www.hinduwebsite.com

 

[101G]

That is a complicated question. Matter is a loose term and generally means things made of atoms. They are not as real as they seem but we are unclear what quantum mechanics is telling us exactly. There seem to be quantum fields and energy,

so you are not sure.

No thank you. I'll post what I like.

me 2.... (smile)

I'll post as I see fit. If you don't feel it's on topic, don't reply.

thanks will do.

101G.

 

[King Phenomenon]

To all,
Let 101G make himself perfectly clear. JESUS is the ONE true and only Living God of the OT as Father/LORD. and NT as Son/Lord.

this understanding is clearly expressed in Genesis 1:1 in the terms A. "Beginning" and B. "God". once one master that understanding of these definitions, then it's a cake walk through the bible. and everything ios laid bare and perfectly fit in TRUTH.

101G.

One and true for you.

 

[101G]

One and true for you.

for all.

101G,

 

[paarsurrey]

Thanks, you're on the right track. JESUS is the OT God as the Ordinal First... "LORD" all cap. and he, Jesus is Lord the NT as Son.

yes, when God said, "Let us", he was speaking prophetically of his own self in flesh to come.

God is the FIRST PROPHET in the Bible.

and thanks for the post I'll be watching your replies if any future posts.

be blessed, you said a mouth full.

101G.

"God is the FIRST PROPHET in the Bible"

Please quote from the Torah to support ones claim, please, right?

Regards

 

[YoursTrue]

Uh, no that's a fictional story in a book. You have given zero evidence for any God so far.


You haven't made an argument? You are basically using "I know you are but what am I"?
I'm sorry, maybe this is what you were looking for -

(something pointless in quotations)Yeah, well, YOU have nothing and there is NO GOD...emoji, emoji, emoji.....I

Could you maybe ask this God if he could provide you with some evidence or something?

I would like to mention that I have been reading a book by Stephen Hawking, and frankly, what he says about the origin of the universe does not make sense to me. I might have been in awe of him years ago when I was a student and I am sure he is very bright (was very bright) and some of his statements reveal he thought about what other people thought about God, but when he talked about how the universe began as he suggests it, frankly, it doesn't make sense any more as far as I am concerned.

 

[101G]

"God is the FIRST PROPHET in the Bible"

Please quote from the Torah to support ones claim, please, right?

First, in the Name of the Lord Jesus, thanks for the question. sure, it is Right there in your MOUTH, Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." you can find this in your Torah, Bere**** 1:26 & 27 https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/8165

the "us" and the "we" are to come, meaning in the future. understand, Only ONE person made man ,,, Male and female, who was in the designation of Ordinal First. and the same one person in the Equal Share came later to redeem and save all that he had mad including man his IMAGE that was to come, the Ordinal Last. and to back this up. Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."

here figure is the Greek term
G5179 τύπος tupos (tï '-pos) n.
1. a die (as struck).
2. (by implication) a stamp or scar.
3. (by analogy) a shape, i.e. a statue.
4. (figuratively) style or resemblance.
5. (specially) a sampler (“type”), i.e. a model (for imitation) or instance (for warning).
[from G5180]
KJV: en-(ex-)ample, fashion, figure, form, manner, pattern, print
Root(s): G5180

definition #2. a Shape is a form, a fashion, a figure, or a IMAGE. Jesus the Christ is the IMAGE that he, God himself, came in that is called MAN. which Adam was shaped in. for the term "figure" here when used as a Noun, A person who represents a given virtue, skill or quality, is called an "IMAGE".

so that US and OUR in Genesis 1:25 & 27 was foretold to come, which is prophetic.

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I would like to mention that I have been reading a book by Stephen Hawking, and frankly, what he says about the origin of the universe does not make sense to me. I might have been in awe of him years ago when I was a student and I am sure he is very bright (was very bright) and some of his statements reveal he thought about what other people thought about God, but when he talked about how the universe began as he suggests it, frankly, it doesn't make sense any more as far as I am concerned.

yes, now, galaxies, much old than we thought is being found in what we called dark spots, or area in the known universe, but these new finding puts a crimp in these old theories as how the universe came about. bottom line science just doesn't know.

these galaxies being found by the red shift in the spectrum of longer wavelengths, vs the Blue shift, have scientist now scratching their heads.
next it will be their feet until it gets to their backsides. ....... before it finally gets to their heads.

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