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Jesus - expose

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Kman, Dec 18, 2011.

  1. Kman

    Kman Member

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    Just a few examples of the contradictions in the teachings and actions of the man called Jesus:

    Luke 6:29 "If someone smites you on one cheek turn the other cheek"
    John 13:23 "If I spoke amiss, state it in evidence at my trial. If I spoke well then why did you smite me?"
    NO TURNING CHEEKS FOR JESUS

    Matthew 5:43 "Love your enemies, bless those who curse you and do good to those who hate you"
    Luke 19:27 "Take my enemies, who would not have me rule over them, bring them here and kill them before me"
    NONE OF THAT PREECHY LOVY DOVY CRAP FOR JESUS'S ENEMIES

    Matthew 5:22 "Anyone who nurses anger against his brother must be brought to judgement... If he even sneers at him..."
    Matthew 10:34 "Think not that I have come to send peace to the world. I come not to send peace, but the sword"
    HMMMMM......

    Matthew 23:33 "You snakes, you generation of vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell?" (referring of course to the Jews)
    NOPE NO WORLD LOVE AND PEACE THERE

    John 15:16 "He who does not abide in me is thrown away like a withered branch. Such withered branches are gathered together, cast into the fire and burned"
    NO WONDER WHY THE CRUSADERS BURNED SO MANY JEWS IN THE NAME OF A LOVING PAGAN JESUS GOD

    Matthew 21:18 "In the morning on his way to the city, Jesus felt hungry. (oh no gods stomach is rumbling- help) Seeing a fig tree near the road he went up to it but found nothing but leaves. He said to the tree 'may you never bear fruit anymore.' The tree then withered and died"
    WHAT A SWEET GUY. FULL OF PATIENCE, KINDNESS, HUMILITY, CARE FOR NATURE.
    WHERE WERE HIS MIRACLES THEN TO HELP FILL HIS STOMACH? WHY DID THE MIRACLE HAVE TO BE ONE OF DESTRUCTION OF THE TREE INSTEAD OF MAKING IT BLOSSOM? THAT WAY HE COULD FILL HIS HUNGRY STOMACH AND SHOW HIS EXEMPLARY TEACHINGS IN ACTION.
    HHMMMMMM........

    What a guy that Jesus fellow.

    Referring to a gentile woman who came to Jesus for healing he said Mark 2:25-27 "Let the children be satisfied first. It is not right to take the childrens bread and cast it to the dogs." (The dogs are clearly the gentiles in this case.)

    Seriously how do people follow this guy when you have things written about his character like that? Just because he told them they will go to hell otherwise???

    What the hell Jesus? Seriously what were you thinking?
     
  2. ChristineES

    ChristineES Tiggerism
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    Is there a point for this debate?
     
  3. Photonic

    Photonic Ad astra!

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    What religion are you, perhaps I could assist you in exposing the flaws of your own religious idols.
     
  4. tarasan

    tarasan Well-Known Member

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    its call context....... both historical and biblical.....
     
  5. Kman

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    To me it's called hypocrisy and turning a man into god
     
  6. Kman

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    Jewish. We dont believe in Idols sorry.
     
  7. Photonic

    Photonic Ad astra!

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    Turning an idea into God is any different?
     
  8. tarasan

    tarasan Well-Known Member

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    I see, well you have done a sucky Job at showing that to use, all I see is a lack of basic interpretive knowledge.
     
  9. Kman

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    We dont turn God into anything. In order to have a relationship with Him we need to have an idea of Him.
     
  10. Photonic

    Photonic Ad astra!

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    :rolleyes:
     
  11. Kman

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    enlighten me then:yes:
     
  12. tarasan

    tarasan Well-Known Member

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    I dunno considering the manner in which you have written in this thread I am having a hard time convincing myself that there would be any point at least with waitasec I know I can at least have a civil convo but considering how your writing.

    will there be any point or are you already convinced?
     
  13. Photonic

    Photonic Ad astra!

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    I'm not seeing relevant information that could persuade you.

    After all, you can't reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into.
     
  14. Lindsey-Loo

    Lindsey-Loo Steel Magnolia

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    First example:
    Oh dear. It looks like you have misquoted the verse in question. John 13:23 actually says:

    "One of them, the disciple whom Jesus loved, was reclining next to him."
    John 13:23


    So we'll throw this example out.

    Second example:
    Sadly, it looks like you have taken the verse out of context. I'm afraid that the verse you are attempting to make appear as a quote of Christ himself was actually a parable. It's the parable of the ten minas and the verse you quoted in Like 19:27 was actually spoken by a character in the story, not by Christ. See the parable here.

    So this too is invalid.

    Third example:

    Shall we look at this verse in its entire context?

    32 "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven. 34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
    a man against his father,
    a daughter against her mother,
    a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
    36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household [Micah 7:6]
    37 Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it."

    Clearly Christ wasn't encouraging a holy way with a literal sword. He was simply pointing out that a Christian in a traditionally Jewish society would probably spread discord among family and friends.

    Fourth example:
    Once again, you have provided us with a verse out of context and a claim that is not founded. Jesus was not referring to all Jews like you insinuated, but specifically the hypocritical pharisees. See whole story here.

    Fifth example:
    Oh my...all of this misquoting you do is terrible. John 15:16 does not say what you wrote, but rather:

    "You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you."

    Please try to quote your verses correctly. It makes your whole argument look silly if you can't even get the verse right- quite counterproductive if you ask me.

    Sixth example:
    Well, you almost got it right this time. Congratulations! Matthew 21:18 actually says:

    "Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry."

    But at least you got the story right! :yes: So Jesus withered a fig tree. Big deal. I suppose you don't ever cut your grass or trim your hedges.

    Seventh example:
    You only give us another grossly misquoted verse to go on. Mark 2:25-27 actually says:

    "He answered, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26 In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.” 27 Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."


    Now, is that all, or did you have more?
     
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  15. Thief

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    And if you were to follow through on some of that....
    your perspective would shift.

    Ever try turning the other cheek?.....I have.
    In my old neighborhood, some people...total strangers....make their first greetings by attempting to punch out your eye.
    I am not exaggerating.
    Turn the other cheek is not altogether passive.
    It can seen as an invitation....'try that again'....

    He came with a sword.....yeah.
    Swords sever the living from the dead.
    Such are His parables.
    Without them He will not see His reflection in you.

    You failed to quote the gentile woman, as she pleaded for the life of her child.
    By her quick retort, she was granted her request.

    Critique against the Carpenter is common.
    Especially here at the forum.
    No hard feelings on my part.

    But critique sets your stance on one side of the line or the other.
    Apparently you are not willing to stand beside Him?
     
  16. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    Well said....and if true ....an atheist is beyond hope.

    If not true...maybe you will live on...after death.
    Maybe the grave will not hold you...in spite of your disbelief.
     
  17. Renji

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    Clearly, another one who's citing the bible through verses, but not considering the whole context of what he's citing. Tssk, tssk..
     
  18. Matthew78

    Matthew78 aspiring biblical scholar

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    KMan,

    I understand that you don't believe that Christianity is true. I don't either. You are convinced that the New Testament has discrepancies. I am, too. But, you might want to educate yourself more on the subject. I don't want to say this but Lindsay-Loo effectively answered you. If you want, I can try to supply you with better ammunition when time permits. But you have to be careful not to misquote and you have to try to get the context right.
     
  19. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    Clearly all Christians are fearful, thoughtless, and stupid - far, far less perceptive than you. Thanks for sharing. :)
     
  20. nnmartin

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    It is called a parable - ie: an allegorical tale.

    The fig tree symbolises those who advertise falsely. The tree had leaves on it to indicate that is also had fruit - which it didn't.

    So, this is to teach that those who pretend to be religious or righteous just for show can expect to be punished on the day of reckoning.
     
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