dan said:
The crusade against it because it is responsible for more deaths than all the wars in recorded history combined.
Can you provide a source for that? I've never heard that statistic before.
It's people who condone its use that leave abusers free to abuse.
Nobody in their right mind condones abuse of a substance. That's like saying you shouldn't condone eating because some people get morbidly obese.
If it's allowed at all there are always going to be people who use it incorrectly and end up killing other people.
And that is a byproduct of their own stupidity. There's a difference between being a drinker and a responsible drinker. A responsible drinker will either do it at home or with company they trust; someone that will keep them away from things that could hurt themselves and other people and away from the car keys.
My best friend's father will, a few times a week, have a beer or three at home with his wife. He doesn't become violent, he doesn't leap up and go "Holy crap, I'm drunk! Time to go smash cars into people!", he just sits, drinks, and then when it gets late he goes to bed. Who is he hurting?
Ask any person who's mother, father, son or brother has been killed by a drunk driver if they really give a crap about what you think about alcohol. They could care less about your opinion. Alcohol killed someone they loved. I've seen this and I bet you have too.
Appeal to emotion.
Not drinking alcohol has never been responsible for anyone's death. You never see signs up for Mothers Against Sober Driving.
Yea, and you never see an Alcoholics for Drunk Driving sign, either.
Your gluttony point is ridiculous. I'm not talking about sin here, I'm talking about the biggest killer our world has known.
You think that fat isn't a killer? It causes so many problems I don't even want to begin to touch on them... why do you think America has such a horrible heart disease rate?
Cigarrettes are more dangerous? Smoking while driving is not against the law.
What does that have to do with it hurting people? :areyoucra
It's never (to my knowledge) caused huge deadly car accidents or caused honorable people to commit adultery or pee on their boss' desk. To my knowledge no one has ever smoked a cigarrette and then passed out on a highway and got run over by a semi.
Yea, it doesn't kill quickly. It kills slowly, with tar covering your lungs and carcinogens causing cancer. THey don't get the mercy of a quick death. They linger, and wheeze, and have holes drilled in their esophagus so that they can breathe or talk, get put on oxygen machines... and they still smoke. It's an addiction as bad, if not worse, than drinking. Drinking without getting violent/depressed in front of a child cannot hurt them. Smoking does.
THis happened to the husband of someone I knew in Uruguay. Freakin' commies always gettin' drunk. This is another ridiculous comparison, but smoking is not condoned by the Lord, which is what this conversation is about. Everyone knows that. I don't feel it's necessary to go on that campaign.
Commies, Commies, Commies! :bonk: /obligatory Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference.
