It's the Guns.

[Sunstone]

Americans of high-school age are 82 times more likely to die from a gun homicide than 15- to 19-year-olds in the rest of the developed world.

This stark discrepancy is often treated as a baffling fact, requiring some counterintuitive explanation.

...more young Americans have died in school shootings in 2018 than in all the nation’s combat operations all over the world.

Only 30 percent of Americans own guns. Thus far, that minority has sufficed to block substantial federal action on guns. But a one-third minority—and especially a nonurban one-third minority—may no longer suffice to shape American culture.

The outrage after Parkland looked less like a political movement, and more like the great waves of moral reform that have at intervals since the 1840s challenged the existing political order in the name of higher ethical ideals.

In the article, David Frum, who is one of the last genuinely moderate Republicans in the country, does not propose any specific solution to the gun problem in America. That's not his point. His point is that change is coming -- slowly -- but coming.

With that in mind, do you think the minority of people in favor of maintaining the status quo when it comes to guns will be able to do so forever? Or do you agree with Frum that change is coming?

 

[Thief]

yes....

and shortly after.....America will be disarmed

and invaded

first rule of occupation.....disarm the public

 

[74x12]

In the article, David Frum, who is one of the last genuinely moderate Republicans in the country, does not propose any specific solution to the gun problem in America. That's not his point. His point is that change is coming -- slowly -- but coming.

With that in mind, do you think the minority of people in favor of the maintaining the status quo when it comes to guns will be able to do so forever? Or do you agree with Frum that change is coming?

This country is practically begging for the chains of slavery. In many ancient societies only slaves were unarmed. People should soberly consider this fact before abandoning the liberties that have been secured for them by the blood of patriots.

 

[Quetzal]

This country is practically begging for the chains of slavery. In many ancient societies only slaves were unarmed. People should soberly consider this fact before abandoning the liberties that have been secured for them by the blood of patriots.

I hate this argument, I really do. It is dated and simply isn't applicable.

 

[74x12]

I hate this argument, I really do. It is dated and simply isn't applicable.

Sorry to hear that. Did you know that democide was the leading cause of unnatural death in the 20th century?

 

[Stevicus]

In the article, David Frum, who is one of the last genuinely moderate Republicans in the country, does not propose any specific solution to the gun problem in America. That's not his point. His point is that change is coming -- slowly -- but coming.

With that in mind, do you think the minority of people in favor of maintaining the status quo when it comes to guns will be able to do so forever? Or do you agree with Frum that change is coming?

I think it's possible that there may be some jurisdictions with greater controls and limitations. It might still vary from state to state, and I don't see a time when the Second Amendment will ever be repealed. So I don't think gun ownership will ever be totally banned, but it might be curtailed to some degree.

 

[Quetzal]

Sorry to hear that. Did you know that democide was the leading cause of unnatural death in the 20th century?

Ah, a cleverly disguised Godwin's Fallacy.

 

[74x12]

Ah, a cleverly disguised Godwin's Fallacy.

I can think of many other examples than Hitler. Stalin or Mao, Pol pot ... communists are often at the top of my list.

Anyway it's not a fallacy. It really is a valid observation. I'm more worried about the government than some random lone gunman. What's more, I believe we all should be more worried about the governments of this world.

 

[idav]

yes....

and shortly after.....America will be disarmed

and invaded

first rule of occupation.....disarm the public

Anyone wanting to fight the US military has lost their mind. Citizens don’t need to be cowboys in the US.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

I can think of many other examples than Hitler. Stalin or Mao, Pol pot ... communists are often at the top of my list.

Anyway it's not a fallacy. It really is a valid observation. I'm more worried about the government than some random lone gunman. What's more, I believe we all should be more worried about the governments of this world.

The weapons that you can legally purchase will not stop the government from imposing tyranny on you. I'm sorry, but that's the truth.

 

[Twilight Hue]

In the article, David Frum, who is one of the last genuinely moderate Republicans in the country, does not propose any specific solution to the gun problem in America. That's not his point. His point is that change is coming -- slowly -- but coming.

With that in mind, do you think the minority of people in favor of maintaining the status quo when it comes to guns will be able to do so forever? Or do you agree with Frum that change is coming?

All I see coming is progressive dystopia aka frogs being cooked slowly in a frying pan.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Anyone wanting to fight the US military has lost their mind. Citizens don’t need to be cowboys in the US.

Well there already was one civil war in our history.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

All I see coming is progressive dystopia aka frogs being cooked slowly in a frying pan.

Is this before or after the frogs turn gay? Because I don't want to eat any gay frogs. My frogs have to be straight.

 

[idav]

All I see coming is progressive dystopia aka frogs being cooked slowly in a frying pan.

Really? I see a future where people will be 3D printing guns.
https://gizmodo.com/3d-printed-guns-are-only-getting-better-and-scarier-1677747439

 

[74x12]

The weapons that you can legally purchase will not stop the government from imposing tyranny on you. I'm sorry, but that's the truth.

You don't want to make it easy for them. That usually doesn't end well. Besides you would have to expect that at least some of the American military would know who to side with. Anyway we could only hope. But without weapons we definitely have no chance.

 

[BSM1]

In the article, David Frum, who is one of the last genuinely moderate Republicans in the country, does not propose any specific solution to the gun problem in America. That's not his point. His point is that change is coming -- slowly -- but coming.

With that in mind, do you think the minority of people in favor of maintaining the status quo when it comes to guns will be able to do so forever? Or do you agree with Frum that change is coming?

So what is it exactly that you would want to see enacted as far as gun control? And please don't give me that "stricter laws"; deal with specifics.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

You don't want to make it easy for them. That usually doesn't end well. Besides you would have to expect that at least some of the American military would know who to side with. Anyway we could only hope. But without weapons we definitely have no chance.

With or without weapons you don't stand a chance.

 

[Cacotopia]

Sorry to hear that. Did you know that democide was the leading cause of unnatural death in the 20th century?

Where is your bunker.

 

[Quetzal]

So what is it exactly that you would want to see enacted as far as gun control? And please don't give me that "stricter laws"; deal with specifics.

Not directed at me but I will take a shot. For me, it really starts with allowing the CDC to study the issue in context with everything else. As of this posting, they are not allowed to do so. Next, I would prefer a federally enacted firearm standard to be drafted (sorry it is vague but what I am getting at is that the laws vary from state to state). Right now, state laws are only as good as their neighbors. That sort of inconsistency could be an issue I would be interested in addressing.

 

[Sunstone]

yes....

and shortly after.....America will be disarmed

and invaded

first rule of occupation.....disarm the public

Just as if disarming the public is the same as disarming the military? When did reason go out of fashion?