Israel Should Be Stopped

[Revoltingest]

Bad enuf that Israel has brutalized & oppressed Palestinians
for most of a century. Even more heinous is the genocide
against Palestinians.
Now it's begun attacks in other countries...which will provoke
more attacks...which will provoke ever more attacks...& so on.
This is not about self defense.
It is deadly blind vengeance fueled by religious bigotry.

USA props up Israel with money, weapons, & political
cover at the UN. This gives Israel the unlimited ability
to violate human rights & international law with impunity.
This must change.
Otherwise USA will be waging war on behalf of Israel.
Israel must be de-fanged before it precipitates WW3.

Biden & even some in Congress now seem concerned.
But still, USA leaders takes no steps to curb the carnage.
They have the power to stop it.
Instead, it's all talk & no walk.

What inspired this thread?
Israel indends to strike Iran's nuclear facilities in retaliation
for Iran's likely retaliation for Israel's attack on Iran's embassy.
Iran is prepared to respond on a much larger scale.

Missiles of Iran | Missile Threat

Iran possesses the largest and most diverse missile arsenal in the Middle East, with thousands of ballistic and cruise missiles, some capable of striking as far as Israel and southeast Europe. For the past decade, Iran has invested significantly to improve these weapons’ precision and lethality...

missilethreat.csis.org

Escalation would be inevitable, with USA taking the
wrong side, ie becoming a war criminal state.
This should not happen.

Israel prepared to strike Iranian nuclear facilities if Tehran launches attack – report

* * *

www.timesofisrael.com

Iran nuclear programme: Threat of Israeli strike grows

As Iran's nuclear programme forges ahead, some see Israel running out of options to thwart it.

www.bbc.com

 

[Spice]

I've seen this escalating dramatically for weeks. I agree, it's almost to the point of no return, I fear. But there's one correction to your wording I'd like to make: change "Israel" to "Netanyahu." Bibi must be stopped. I think the majority of Israel agrees.

 

[Revoltingest]

I've seen this escalating dramatically for weeks. I agree, it's almost to the point of no return, I fear. But there's one correction to your wording I'd like to make: change "Israel" to "Netanyahu." Bibi must be stopped. I think the majority of Israel agrees.

It's not just one troubled leader.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/16/middleeast/israel-military-withdrawl-gaza-rift-intl/index.html

This is the country & government of Israel
acting with such reckless barbarism in concert.
The few peaceniks in Israel are just that....few.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Bad enuf that Israel has brutalized & oppressed Palestinians
for most of a century. Even more heinous is the genocide
against Palestinians.
Now it's begun attacks in other countries...which will provoke
more attacks...which will provoke ever more attacks...& so on.
This is not about self defense.
It is deadly blind vengeance fueled by religious bigotry.

USA props up Israel with money, weapons, & political
cover at the UN. This gives Israel the unlimited ability
to violate human rights & international law with impunity.
This must change.
Otherwise USA will be waging war on behalf of Israel.
Israel must be de-fanged before it precipitates WW3.

Biden & even some in Congress now seem concerned.
But still, USA leaders takes no steps to curb the carnage.
They have the power to stop it.
Instead, it's all talk & no walk.

What inspired this thread?
Israel indends to strike Iran's nuclear facilities in retaliation
for Iran's likely retaliation for Israel's attack on Iran's embassy.
Iran is prepared to respond on a much larger scale.

Missiles of Iran | Missile Threat

Iran possesses the largest and most diverse missile arsenal in the Middle East, with thousands of ballistic and cruise missiles, some capable of striking as far as Israel and southeast Europe. For the past decade, Iran has invested significantly to improve these weapons’ precision and lethality...

missilethreat.csis.org

Escalation would be inevitable, with USA taking the
wrong side, ie becoming a war criminal state.
This should not happen.

Israel prepared to strike Iranian nuclear facilities if Tehran launches attack – report

* * *

www.timesofisrael.com

Iran nuclear programme: Threat of Israeli strike grows

As Iran's nuclear programme forges ahead, some see Israel running out of options to thwart it.

www.bbc.com

I on the other hand would appreciate terrorist sponsoring nations like Iran to be knocked down a few considerable pegs into submission and crippling terrorists like Hamas in the process.

 

[Spice]

It's not just one troubled leader.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/16/middleeast/israel-military-withdrawl-gaza-rift-intl/index.html

This is the country & government of Israel
acting with such reckless barbarism in concert.
The few peaceniks in Israel are just that....few.

I realize Netanyahu can't act totally on his own, but I just try to keep "the people" free from bundling. I don't think of Russians as land-hungry tyrants just because Putin and his regime are, and fortunately his actions fall on him rather than the country/people. And I for one, was very grateful for the citizenry of the world, for the most part, not to bundle me with Trump's craziness. I still gringe when I see protests bundling "Americans" knowing full well they have a legitimate grievance that is being used as propaganda for their leaders nefarious agendas. I'd like to think we can do better.

As individuals, I feel, we must make an effort to separate people from their governments in our speech and thoughts, to reduce the human tendency to stereotypical prejudicial precepts.

 

[Revoltingest]

I on the other hand would appreciate terrorist sponsoring nations to be knocked down a few considerable pegs into submission.

Interesting phrasing you have there.
Israel is a terrorist state sponsored by
USA. Germany & others sponsor
terrorism too.
Do you actually believe that this won't
cause escalation of death & destruction?

 

[Revoltingest]

I realize Netanyahu can't act totally on his own, but I just try to keep "the people" free from bundling. I don't think of Russians as land-hungry tyrants just because Putin and his regime are, and fortunately his actions fall on him rather than the country/people.

Not all Germans in Nazi Germany
were evil either. Nonetheless, we
criticize that country for its evils.

And I for one, was very grateful for the citizenry of the world, for the most part, not to bundle me with Trump's craziness. I still gringe when I see protests bundling "Americans" knowing full well they have a legitimate grievance that is being used as propaganda for their leaders nefarious agendas. I'd like to think we can do better.

I harshly criticize USA too. Its people
elect politicians because even the
masses overwhelmingly support
impunity for Israel, & have for half
a century or so.
So you & I might be unfairly judged
because of fellow citizens' awful agendas.

As individuals, I feel, we must make an effort to separate people from their governments in our speech and thoughts, to reduce the human tendency to stereotypical prejudicial precepts.

Nonetheless, we must face what that
country does. It must be stopped.

 

[Spice]

Not all Germans in Nazi Germany
were evil either. Nonetheless, we
criticize that country for its evils.

True, and many atrocities were done to people of German descent no longer living in Germany because of the Nazi government that they, too, opposed.

I harshly criticize USA too. Its people
elect politicians because even the
masses overwhelmingly support
impunity for Israel, & have for half
a century or so.
So you & I might be unfairly judged
because of fellow citizens' awful agendas.

And this gives me the "me too" empathy towards others.

Nonetheless, we must face what that
country does. It must be stopped.

We must face what both country's governments are doing, and work to stop the madness. Fortunately, for the most part, "Palestinians" are not blamed for Oct. 7th, but rather "Hamas" who happens to control Palestine's government.

I don't disagree with your OP objective, I just don't want that ole bullet of antisemitism being reasoned into the discussions, nor Arabphobia, equally so.

As quoted from The Green Mile:
"I'm tired, boss. ... Mostly I'm tired of people being ugly to each other."

 

[Revoltingest]

....I just don't want that ole bullet of antisemitism being reasoned into the discussions....

I fully expect the usual suspects to be
champing at that bit
Nonetheless, Israel is the perpetrator
of great evil, & must be stopped.

Note also that Israel is supported by
more Christians than Jews. I criticize
both who favor such evil.

 

[Koldo]

I realize Netanyahu can't act totally on his own, but I just try to keep "the people" free from bundling. I don't think of Russians as land-hungry tyrants just because Putin and his regime are, and fortunately his actions fall on him rather than the country/people. And I for one, was very grateful for the citizenry of the world, for the most part, not to bundle me with Trump's craziness. I still gringe when I see protests bundling "Americans" knowing full well they have a legitimate grievance that is being used as propaganda for their leaders nefarious agendas. I'd like to think we can do better.

As individuals, I feel, we must make an effort to separate people from their governments in our speech and thoughts, to reduce the human tendency to stereotypical prejudicial precepts.

Depends on whether the leader of the nation is acting in accordance to the will of the people. It is one thing if the (democratically elected) president of a country decided to suddenly launch an attack in another nation, and yet another if such an attack was part of his political platform even before his election (or if the people decide to re-elect him after the attack).

 

[Revoltingest]

Depends on whether the leader of the nation is acting in accordance to the will of the people. It is one thing if the (democratically elected) president of a country decided to suddenly launch an attack in another nation, and yet another if such an attack was part of his political platform even before his election (or if the people decide to re-elect him after the attack).

No matter the extent of leadership's
power or representing the people,
Israel must be stopped from pursuing
genocide & WW3.

 

[Koldo]

No matter the extent of leadership's
power or representing the people,
Israel must be stopped from pursuing
genocide & WW3.

Ah, absolutely. I was just commenting on whether we should lump the leaders together with the people.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ah, absolutely. I was just commenting on whether we should lump the leaders together with the people.

Many appear to tiptoe around the risk that
someone will say "You hate Jews" "Anti-semite!"
And so we must divert from strong criticism
of The Jewish State, & signal our virture.
**** that ****.
Israel is perpetrating a massive evil.
It seeks to unleash orders of magnitude worse
horror. Stop it before it escalates to nuclear war.

 

[Spice]

I fully expect the usual suspects to be
champing at that bit
Nonetheless, Israel is the perpetrator
of great evil, & must be stopped.

Note also that Israel is supported by
more Christians than Jews. I criticize
both who favor such evil.

The Christian support of Israel is a touchy point with me. I hear the Biblical reasons behind it all the time and cannot, for the life of me, get through with the clarification that that is NOT what the Scriptures mean.

 

[Spice]

Depends on whether the leader of the nation is acting in accordance to the will of the people. It is one thing if the (democratically elected) president of a country decided to suddenly launch an attack in another nation, and yet another if such an attack was part of his political platform even before his election (or if the people decide to re-elect him after the attack).

True, up to a point. It's not like politicians are held accountable for their stump lies once they're in office. But it doesn't change the need of caution in accountability.

 

[Revoltingest]

True, up to a point. It's not like politicians are held accountable for their stump lies once they're in office. But it doesn't change the need of caution in accountability.

Holding Israel accountable isn't about
treating its individuals separately.
Measures taken would be larger, eg....
- Stop sending Israel money.
- Stop sending Israel materiel.
- Provide protection for Israel's victims.
- Economic embargo.
- Prosecute Israel's leaders for human
rights violations, for war crimes, & for
breaking international law.
Extradite, prosecute, imprison.

 

[Spice]

Holding Israel accountable isn't about
treating its individuals separately.
Measures taken would be larger, eg....
- Stop sending Israel money.
- Stop sending Israel materiel.
- Provide protection for Israel's victims.
- Economic embargo.
- Prosecute Israel's leaders for human
rights violations, for war crimes, & for
breaking international law.
Extradite, prosecute, imprison.

Agreed! And working towards the release of the hostages being held by Hamas, and the Palestinians being held by Israel without due process.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Interesting phrasing you have there.
Israel is a terrorist state sponsored by
USA. Germany & others sponsor
terrorism too.
Do you actually believe that this won't
cause escalation of death & destruction?

No. Hamas is a terrorist group and Iran is a terrorist nation.

I'm not sympathetic nor supportive towards terrorism like some people are.

 

[metis]

Ah, some anti-Semitism at its "finest". However, I do believe Israel does have to back off at this point.

But, again and again, if Hamas were to surrender, this conflict between Israel and Hamas would end, and yet the OP conveniently ignores that.

For myself, this post is a one and out.

 

[Spice]

https://fb.watch/rlk8FhLtTX/

Nicaragua speaks a surprising, to me, opinion.