Islamophobia in the Western media

[Saint Frankenstein]

^ so sad yet so dangerous ...

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Very few who are technically minded will likely question the evidence that is available - apart from those drawn to conspiracy theories.

I don't care about controlled demolition theories, if that's what you're referring to.

 

[Nakosis]

Why is the Western media doing this and who is behind it? I know the answer but I'm not allowed to say it. You just have to find out who controls the media. It is a very small people who are behind it. A people who have caused nothing but hatred in this world for thousands of years.

I generally find more support in the media I read for Islam than not.
Obviously highly dependent on which media you choose to read.
Support for Jews now feels about 50/50. It used to be higher but it seems to have declined lately.
The the group which seems to have the most criticism is against folks who promote right wing ideologies.

 

[libre]

All the while virtually forbidding itself from questioning or challenging even its most bloodthirsty and incompetent leaders without a full tragedy of some sort.

Facts matter.

I agree.
I would hope that those facts would not prevent us from addressing vitriol of the lowest calibre, such as the post I had responded to.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't believe in "theories". Look into it yourself. It just bemuses me that anyone still buys that nonsense about 19 (mostly) Saudi nobodies with no real flight experience, who managed to foil the security defenses of the most powerful nation and military in the world, armed with box cutters. Give me a break.

Security in the airline industry was woefully inadequate
before 9/11. People could get airliners without even
going thru security. (A cousin-in-law did.) Box cutters
are fell weapons, especially when no one else on the
plane is armed, & the pilots aren't protected by a
hardened door.
Having a powerful military is irrelevant regarding
commercial aviation. It didn't stop the Saudis from
getting the minimal flight training necessary to cause
the intended crash.
And finally, our government isn't competent enuf
to plot, implement, & cover up such an intricate
conspiracy for decades.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I don't care about controlled demolition theories, if that's what you're referring to.

I was referring to any theory that doesn't basically agree with what is widely accepted - that a bunch of Islamic terrorists hijacked the planes and flew them into the buildings.

 

[☆Dreamwind☆]

Sorry, but they have a bad reputation for being against human rights for a reason. They themselves are that reason. Are there people who just want to live their lives peacefully? Absolutely. But when entire theocratic countries are still partying like it's the dark ages, there's a serious problem with what they're doing. And it's horrid.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Muslims believe that they are one nation.

I guess that explains the massive amounts of sectarian violence and why the vast majority of victims of islamic violence, are other muslims?

There are Christian countries and also Hindu countries that are worse than Islamic countries

Such as?

and yet they are not attacked by the Western media in the same way as Islam.

Let's see you first name those countries and then we'll evaluate how the media talks about them.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Also worth noting that there's no way in hell that any Muslim group has perpetrated as much terror as the USA. We should expect that the USA is negatively portayed in media (at least outside the US).

In many muslim countries, the USA is nicknamed "the great satan"

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Sexual exploitation is the most common form of human trafficking.
Your assertion that the exploitation and trafficking of children is not done by Christians is grounded in ignorance and not reality.

Further, terrorism is not a new phenomena or unique to Islam and fixating on planes is to fixate on the events of one day to marginalize a whole religious group.

What you say isn't false.

But let me ask you this....

A couple of days ago, when news came out that gunmen in Moscow were in the process of mass shooting visitors at a concert hall...
Did you require the ISIS claim video to have a reasonably good idea of what was happening?


I sure did not.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Wow, you still believe the official crock of bull about 9/11?

Ow great, another loon who doubts it was the work of Islamists.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I don't believe in "theories". Look into it yourself. It just bemuses me that anyone still buys that nonsense about 19 (mostly) Saudi nobodies with no real flight experience, who managed to foil the security defenses of the most powerful nation and military in the world, armed with box cutters. Give me a break.

What "security defenses"?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

These two sentences make me not want to talk to you at all. I'm sick of being spoken to so rudely on this board just because I have a different opinion. I don't owe you any justification, as if I need to explain myself to you. Are you the thought police or something? 9/11 was a defining event in my life time and I spent years reading about it and looking into it. It was the catalyst for a lot of horrible things that happened, including the creation of the infrastructure of a police state (such as with the Patriot Act). Sorry I did a little more thinking about it than just turning on the telly and regurgitating what they told me. Governments lie, you know. I wasn't even trying to turn this into a 9/11 discussion.

Hey, when you open up a can of worms on a public discussion and debate forum by making wild conspiracy claims, you should expect some pushback.

 

[libre]

But let me ask you this....

A couple of days ago, when news came out that gunmen in Moscow were in the process of mass shooting visitors at a concert hall...
Did you require the ISIS claim video to have a reasonably good idea of what was happening?

Simply has nothing to do with my post. I could gesture at the point you're trying to make, but it would be a more straightforward conversation if you were to just say what you mean openly.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Simply has nothing to do with my post. I could gesture at the point you're trying to make, but it would be a more straightforward conversation if you were to just say what you mean openly.

I think it's quite obvious what I mean.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

There's also another thing here with your post, which makes your points kind of unfair.

Sexual exploitation is the most common form of human trafficking.

Yes. But what Boko Haram does, and what ISIS did with Yazidi, is hardly "human trafficking".
It's also not at all a hidden, underground, mafia-like network of forcing girls into prostitution through pimping with the goal to make money in criminal ways.

Your assertion that the exploitation and trafficking of children is not done by Christians is grounded in ignorance and not reality.

Is he asserting that?
And are these people actually christians in the sense that ISIS folks and Boko Haram are muslims?
Does the human trafficking of girls by criminal networks to force them into prostitution and porn happen in a context of a christian framework? Do they consider it their holy christian right, and even duty, to do these things?
Is being a "good christian" on their mind, their goal, when they kidnap girls and force them into prostitution and porn?

Further, terrorism is not a new phenomena or unique to Islam

Nobody said otherwise?

and fixating on planes is to fixate on the events of one day to marginalize a whole religious group.

One day?

List of Islamist terrorist attacks - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[libre]

One day?

List of Islamist terrorist attacks - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The poster I was responding to was talking about flying planes into buildings. The link you've provided seems to only include one day where such happened.

Does the human trafficking of girls by criminal networks to force them into prostitution and porn happen in a context of a christian framework? Do they consider it their holy christian right, and even duty, to do these things?

You might want to check out Canada's Truth and Reconciliation Commission and familiarize yourself with what the Vatican was doing in North America until the late 90s.

That said, I would not use those crimes to demonize or marginalize all Catholics, let alone all Christians, as people do to Muslims.

 

[Yerda]

In many muslim countries, the USA is nicknamed "the great satan"

Yes, I know.

In the UK (or Europe, Canada, Australia etc as far as I'm aware) Americans aren't treated negatively by the print media even though America has pretty much been at war non-stop since WWII. Often in wars of aggression against countries who are not a threat.

If conflict/terrorism/killing civilians is causing UK/Canadian/Aussie media to frame Muslims negatively then we might expect that Americans to be framed in dismal terms. A broader look at the media suggests that what is happening is that we prefer narrative discourse that involves goodies and baddies, deserving and underserving victims and so on. Popular culture in the English speaking world has commonly placed Muslims as the bogeymen in the past few decades where it might have been communists, homosexuals, or ethnic minorities previously. I think this explains the findings of the study in the OP rather than terrorism, though I'm sure the factors are linked.