Is this Child Sexual Abuse?

[Shadow Wolf]

It's the potential for abuse that bothers me. It takes one whacko to shorten that journey from "odd" to "abusive".

That would also depend on the culture. It is possible that since that is considered the norm, and there isn't a sexual meaning behind it, it may actually reduce the rate of sexual abuse since it isn't considered sexual. But yes at first glance the practice does seem rather strange I'll admit.

 

[IsmailaGodHasHeard]

It is disgusting the way sexual abuse of children is being supported here.

 

[dawny0826]

It is disgusting the way sexual abuse of children is being supported here.

I don't think anyone here is supporting sexual abuse.

 

[Storm]

It is disgusting the way sexual abuse of children is being supported here.

I think it's more disgusting the way you demonize anyone and everyone who dares disagree with you.

 

[9Westy9]

It is disgusting the way sexual abuse of children is being supported here.

where? I don't see anyone supporting sexual abuse

 

[Alex_G]

It is disgusting the way sexual abuse of children is being supported here.

Profound misrepresentation. Why not participate by giving you views on the subject with reason, critical thinking and open mindedness, and enjoy the oppertunity we have here for open and constructive discussions.

Alex

 

[IsmailaGodHasHeard]

I think it's more disgusting the way you demonize anyone and everyone who dares disagree with you.

That is not what I am doing.

 

[IsmailaGodHasHeard]

Profound misrepresentation. Why not participate by giving you views on the subject with reason, critical thinking and open mindedness, and enjoy the oppertunity we have here for open and constructive discussions.

Alex

Okay. Thank you for being nice to me.

 

[Storm]

That is not what I am doing.

No? What then?

A: I don't think it's abuse.
B: YOU'RE SUPPORTING ABUSE!!!!!!

Sounds like demonization to me.

 

[Sunstone]

I think it's more disgusting the way you demonize anyone and everyone who dares disagree with you.

I agree. That nonsense has gone too far.

 

[Me Myself]

I would think that if it is done with the intent of soothing the child, rather than satisfying some underlying sexual need of the adult, I don't see much harm with the practice. It's not like the infant is likely to remember.

Consiously

 

[atanu]

It's the potential for abuse that bothers me. It takes one whacko to shorten that journey from "odd" to "abusive".

Potential for abuse exists in many situations. In this case, in OP, that is certainly not the case. Intention is the key. I do not expect a mother to have wrong intention, unless depraved. OTOH, if a child knows it as abuse then the whole complexion changes. Why should a mother (or even father) abuse their own children (if not depraved)?

 

[Dezzie]

Was the post I made deleted or am I going nuts? I just wanted to know why it was deleted... if it was...

 

[atanu]

Was the post I made deleted or am I going nuts? I just wanted to know why it was deleted... if it was...

we all are special nuts. But if you judge a nut by its ability to climb a tree, it will spend its whole life believing that it is a indeed a nut.

 

[Valjean]

"What do a child's genitals have to do with sex?"
Ridiculous? -- patently obvious in cultures that don't sexualize children.
Americans find a topless eight year old at the beach shocking, for heaven's sake. Can such a sex saturated society's interpretation of another culture's child rearing practices or sexual norms really be taken seriously?

Is massaging the genitals for sedation really any different from massaging the thenar mound for a headache in a culture where it doesn't occur to anyone, child included, that there are any sexual overtones whatever in such an act? -- in a society where "sexual overtones" or "sexual abuse" are foreign concepts?

I'll go hide now....:run:

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Was the post I made deleted or am I going nuts? I just wanted to know why it was deleted... if it was...

I think a post I made was deleted.

Is massaging the genitals for sedation really any different from massaging the thenar mound for a headache in a culture where it doesn't occur to anyone, child included, that there are any sexual overtones whatever in such an act? -- in a society where "sexual overtones" or "sexual abuse" are foreign concepts?

I think plenty of cultures probably think our practice of giving a child alcohol, even small amounts, to ease tooth aches from teething is a bizarre and bad one.

 

[9Westy9]

Was the post I made deleted or am I going nuts? I just wanted to know why it was deleted... if it was...

Same happened to me. Might be due to the comment you replied to was deleted?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Is massaging the genitals for sedation really any different from massaging the thenar mound for a headache in a culture where it doesn't occur to anyone, child included, that there are any sexual overtones whatever in such an act? -- in a society where "sexual overtones" or "sexual abuse" are foreign concepts?

The OP didn't just talk about "massage"; it talked about masturbation.

If you're bringing a person to climax by stimulating their genitals, I don't see how this can't be considered sexual.

And just to put this in context: in this culture, if husband found his wife "soothing" her next-door neighbour this way, would the community consider this adulterous?

I have a feeling that even this culture considers mutual masturbation to have "sexual overtones".

 

[Valjean]

The intent's to sedate, not bring the child to orgasm.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The intent's to sedate, not bring the child to orgasm.

Hmm. I may have inferred too much from the OP.

I would still like to hear your answer to this, though:

And just to put this in context: in this culture, if husband found his wife "soothing" her next-door neighbour this way, would the community consider this adulterous?