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Is the God of Israel racist?

Is the God of Israel Racist? (in your opinion),

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 33.3%
  • No

    Votes: 5 55.6%
  • I haven't read the Bible

    Votes: 1 11.1%

  • Total voters
    9

rosends

Well-Known Member
Then y
You're kinder and gentler today than I might be. Personally, I probably would have responded to @PopeADope with :facepalm:, but then I'm older than you and sometimes I get cranky.

Alternatively, I might also have chosen to quote רב אבדימי בר חמא בר חסא from Tr. Shabbat regarding the mountain.
Then you might also want to throw this into the mix. Just for laughs, of course.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I never thought about this, but I trust you blind on this one. I do know that ca. 96% of the Dutch were Christians in 1900
So I did check and 81% of the Dutch were Christian around 1945. Nowadays in Holland only 45%.
Germany nowadays 60%. So probably there were at least 80% in Germany during the war.

Aha, I found the number: 95% were Christians in 1945 in Germany.

Wow. I never thought about this fact. So it seems indeed that Religion (Christianity) played a major part in killing a lot of people.

My first thought is now: Seems like there has been something really off in Christianity
(Teaching "Love thy neighbor as Thyself".+. killing of millions of Jews)
(Seems not reasonable to believe that the other 5% (non Christians) did all of the killing to me)

And this fact should humble the Christians.
If I were a Christian, I would never dare to declare "Christianity is the only true Religion". Just because of this fact you showed me now.


A fair percentage of those 5% non christians were persecuted atheists also sent to their deaths
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I dont vent, do i?

Islam and Judaism, seem to be very tolerant of race. Take Mecca as an example, during Hajj muslims of all races from the darkest to lightest, from eastern to western congregate in what can only be described is very cramped conditions with no racial tension.

Same with Judaism, Jewish people of all races are welcome in Israel.

Those Jews and Muslims that i know don't have a racist bone in their body.

I cannot say the same of Christians having had several encounters with racist christians. The worse being the attempted murder of my mixed race twins. My (at that time) boyfriend and i have been verbally abused and spat on by people who are supposed to be christian.

This of course does not apply to all Christians, or even more then a small percentage. Some are at least tolerant of other races, most, like Muslims and Jews don't have a racist bone in their body. But like all things, it only takes a few rotten apples in a barrel?
The "nation of Islam" is very racist and there are some Jews who believe the gentiles are simply unclean, not as intelligent, not as blessed, and according to Scripture, not God's chosen people, but yes, it seems Christians per capita have a larger problem with racism of those three branches, from what I can tell.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I think that is not true. Other people rejected God and God let them be on their own. Abraham didn’t reject God and that is why he got blessing from God. I think it is stupid to blame God, if people themselves are evil and love evil more than God and reject God. Why should God give anything good for people who would use it only for evil? There is no master race. God has promised nice things for all, but only few want to be loyal to God.
He refused to establish a covenant with the Philistines, Canaanites, or Egyptians . Some of the Philistines, Canaanites, and Egyptians were innocent people who followed the golden rule and their conscience. Why didn't God speak to them?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
The "nation of Islam" is very racist and there are some Jews who believe the gentiles are simply unclean, not as intelligent, not as blessed, and according to Scripture, not God's chosen people, but yes, it seems Christians per capita have a larger problem with racism of those three branches, from what I can tell.

That's xenophobia, not racism
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I'm not sure how you are using "racism" here. Do you mean that there are different rules for different groups? Sure -- non-Jews (according to Judaism) are bound by seven laws and must abide by them in order to get to "heaven" while Jews have hundreds. In fact, Judaism discourages conversion because we see staying a non-Jew and following just 7 laws as an easier path to get into God's good graces than trying to be a successful Jew.

Of course, we (for the most part) do allow converts from all races and ethnicities.

There is an interesting medrash (complementary story-text) which addresses the core of your question.

Offering the Torah to the Nations - Jewish Holidays

source Sifri, Deuteronomy 343
Thank you. Very helpful! Much more helpful than what @RabbiO had to offer
 

leov

Well-Known Member
Why would I believe that this is true?

I think that Abrahamic religionists are accustomed to believing that they know more about God than the rest of us.
Why should I believe you?
Tom
Because you believe you do not need to.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
Seriously?
You think that is somehow an explanation for your hubris?

Well, it isn't to me. It's yet more evidence that you can't trust Abrahamic religionists.
Tom
Which part do you want explained? Any religion have two parts, one that comes from personal experience the other from books written about personal experience.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
A fair percentage of those 5% non christians were persecuted atheists also sent to their deaths
And then there was some percentage Jews, so it seems about 100% of the ones doing "it" were indeed Christians.
Normally a 100% score is something to be proud of. Not this one though.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
And then there was some percentage Jews, so it seems about 100% of the ones doing "it" were indeed Christians.
Normally a 100% score is something to be proud of. Not this one though.

Yes, nationalism and national pride has much to answer for
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
It's kind of a stupid question.

Of course he is!

He created a bunch of vessels of wrath for destruction! He cursed all descendants of ham to be slaves! He had a chosen people who were his master race!

By race I don't mean skin-color. God's chosen people were not white, but more olive-complected on average. Their skin-color would be dark like Hispanics or Italians without blue eyes and blonde hair as is seen with the Aryan Master-race (Hitler was an idiot by the way!).

I'm not saying the God of Israel was a white-supremacist by any stretch, because his master-race wasn't a white race, but still a chosen people who he didn't like breeding with other ethnicities nonetheless. God also refused to give the truth to those other ethnicities (except with rare exceptions).

That is extremely racist to the core for Yahweh to have his own favorite people that he loves so much that he refuses to even let the Pagans know the truth about him
or make any covenants with those races, then commands his master race to annihilate the cities and take the lands of other less-desirable ethnic groups, whose genetics were either under generational curse (like was the case with Ham), or who were ignorant of God's law and word through no fault of their own. Yahweh is responsible and that's obvious (assuming he is omnipotent).

In other words, God creates races of people whose genetics gets contaminated and they fall under a generational curse, then He refuses to establish any covenant with those people or even communicate the truth to them, then he watches them worship foreign gods and gets jealous, then he punishes them for crimes they didn't even know they were guilty of. I'm just stating this to hopefully get Yahweh to wake up, have a change of heart; and heal and transform people rather than kill them off.
No sorry, that's just ignorant.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
A fair percentage of those 5% non christians were persecuted atheists also sent to their deaths
Hitler example is the perfect example how dangerous people can become when they "believe blind", without using common sense and reason.

So I think it would be best that at least 50% become Atheists. That way Christians won't have the power to do such stupid thing again.

I am glad in Holland Christianity came down from 100% to ca. 45% in just 100 years
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
It's kind of a stupid question.

Of course he is!

He created a bunch of vessels of wrath for destruction! He cursed all descendants of ham to be slaves! He had a chosen people who were his master race!

By race I don't mean skin-color. God's chosen people were not white, but more olive-complected on average. Their skin-color would be dark like Hispanics or Italians without blue eyes and blonde hair as is seen with the Aryan Master-race (Hitler was an idiot by the way!).

I'm not saying the God of Israel was a white-supremacist by any stretch, because his master-race wasn't a white race, but still a chosen people who he didn't like breeding with other ethnicities nonetheless. God also refused to give the truth to those other ethnicities (except with rare exceptions).

That is extremely racist to the core for Yahweh to have his own favorite people that he loves so much that he refuses to even let the Pagans know the truth about him
or make any covenants with those races, then commands his master race to annihilate the cities and take the lands of other less-desirable ethnic groups, whose genetics were either under generational curse (like was the case with Ham), or who were ignorant of God's law and word through no fault of their own. Yahweh is responsible and that's obvious (assuming he is omnipotent).

In other words, God creates races of people whose genetics gets contaminated and they fall under a generational curse, then He refuses to establish any covenant with those people or even communicate the truth to them, then he watches them worship foreign gods and gets jealous, then he punishes them for crimes they didn't even know they were guilty of. I'm just stating this to hopefully get Yahweh to wake up, have a change of heart; and heal and transform people rather than kill them off.
Suppose you were coaching a team, and of all the team members, there was one player who was dedicated, reliable, and by far the top of his game, while the others were a mix of "don't carerish" Is that a word? ;) You know what I mean, right?, lazy, average to poor...

Say your team is in a game, and they are down, to some "underdogs". You need to bring on a player that will pull the team back up. You top player is on the bench with some of the other team members. Who would you pick from the bench?
Your top player, is gunning for the team. At the end of the day, he doesn't get the prize. The team does.

It's as simple as that Pope.
There was nothing special about the Israelites, but there was something special about Abraham - the man God chose as a means of accomplishing his will and purpose.
What was it about Abraham? (Romans 4:1-3 ;Galatians 3:5, 6; James 2:22, 23) He had what it took.

What did God need Abraham for? (Genesis 18:18, 19 ;Genesis 22:18; Galatians 3:14) Come through for all.

Why did Israel become God's special property, out of all the nations? (Deuteronomy 9:4-6) They were part of the team that benefited.

Did God prevent anyone else from becoming part of his named people? (1 Kings 8:41, 42 ; Zechariah 8:23) No. Everyone was welcomed on the team... It was up to them.
If you had to choose between Manchester United or Gresik United, would you pick Gresik?
Some people don't want the team Abraham is on. They don't like his God... and that's fine. We have a choice.
The question is... will we pick the winning side.

If you don't, with a sincere, and honest heart, study the Bible with Jehovah's named people, how would you ever know and understand these things Pope?
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Hitler was the catholic leader of a majority protestant country.
Statistically, the vast majority of his followers would have been christian. It took a lot od Christian idiots to work those gas chambers
Germany was divided in the past by Roman Catholic and Protestant, and there were Reformation and Counter-Reformation, the Thirty Years’ War.

On the Catholic side was the Holy Roman Empire (HRE), where the Austrian Hapsburg dynasty took control of HRE.

By the time of the 20th century, parts of Nazi Germany and Austria were Catholics, the rest were Protestants. So it is no surprise that Hitler was a Catholic.
 
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