Is self-awareness axiomatic or illusory?

[Gambit]

Is self-awareness axiomatic (self-evident) or illusory?

 

[Thief]

I think, therefore, I am.
famous quote.

 

[psychoslice]

Self Awareness for me is from within me, its beyond the mind, but experienced through the mind, I can't say much about it because it was a self realization that I cannot put words to, but when it happens, you will know what I mean and what many others have experienced, you will know, so there is no argument about what it is really, because you cannot conceptualize it at all.

 

[psychoslice]

I think, therefore, I am.
famous quote.

Actually that quote should be the other way around, "I am, therefore I think".

 

[Thief]

Actually that quote should be the other way around, "I am, therefore I think".

I think....I was quoting Descartes.

I suppose we could digress a little to consider that effect for the First.
(that would be God)

 

[psychoslice]

I think....I was quoting Descartes.

I suppose we could digress a little to consider that effect for the First.
(that would be God)

Yes it was from Descartes, and he was right on one level, but not on the ultimate.

 

[George-ananda]

I voted 'axiomatic', I think therefor I am.

 

[psychoslice]

I voted 'axiomatic', I think therefor I am.

Did you thinking become before you were, or the other way around ?.

 

[YmirGF]

Did you thinking become before you were, or the other way around ?.

I voted axiomatic. That said, my thinking transcends time and space therefore the question is moot.

 

[psychoslice]

I voted axiomatic. That said, my thinking transcends time and space therefore the question is moot.

Who is the thinker that is thinking ?.

 

[YmirGF]

Who is the thinker that is thinking ?.

The entity that is me.

 

[psychoslice]

The entity that is me.

I can understand the entity, but I cannot understand the me, you is the me ?.

 

[Laika]

Voted illusionary, though rather cautiously. Its a good question. Our awareness of our "selves" as distinct entities often fails to recognise our dependence on the material world for sustinance, that we are ourselves matter organised into a biological organism, and possess "senses" as the result of neurological processes. We are not 'seperate' from reality because we possess consciousness of the self. "self" awareness often carries with it a belief in the moral significance of the individual. We are part of the vastness of time and space, so awareness of "self" carries with it an awareness of our own insigificance in the material world- but our own survival remains the function of self-awareness. for without a self, we cannot be aware of our insignificance.

will have to think on that one.

 

[YmirGF]

I can understand the entity, but I cannot understand the me, you is the me ?.

I am a personality energy essence, an entity. Sue me.

 

[psychoslice]

I am a personality energy essence, an entity. Sue me.

But where and how did you acquire your so called personality ?.

 

[YmirGF]

But where and how did you acquire your so called personality ?.

The same way all beings do, presumably.
Where? Hehe... now that would take a great deal of time to explain..

 

[psychoslice]

The same way all beings do, presumably.

Yes but where did you acquire it from, forget everyone else.

 

[YmirGF]

Yes but where did you acquire it from, forget everyone else.

Through a process I have been involved in for a very, very long time.

 

[psychoslice]

The so called self that we call ourselves is nothing more than conditioning and programming, this is what we believe ourselves to be, but we are more than this, we are connected to all there is, the Universe is one, we as so called humans divide it among ourselves in all sorts of ways, be it religion, culture, race and all the rest,. all the stupid ways we see ourselves differently. So, who are you ?.

 

[psychoslice]

Through a process I have been involved in for a very, very long time.

Yes and this process is called conditioning and programming, do you realize that ?.