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Any idea when was Vedas/Geeta founded?
Gita was spoken by God as an essence of vedas around 3102+30=3430 BC , Vedas DO NOT have an author. They are transmitted through oral tradition by brahmanas for millions of years and then penned down by Veda Vyasa atleast around 7000 BC fearing the loss of them. Vedas are ordinances, do this and do not do this, and lay the metaphysical aspects of universe. They do not talk about prophecies/ fairy tales/ triple talAq :| and so on........So there you go.Is Vedas/Geeta a documented scripture?
Definitely by 4,000 BC, but could easily be earlier by 2,000 years, i.e., the oldest verses of RigVeda could be 8,000 year old. They mention the rise of sun on the day of vernal equinox in the asterism of Castor and Pollux. Gita, of course, is a later book. Hindu believers take it to be 5,159 years old.Any idea when was Vedas/Geeta founded?
The important thing to note here is that the prophesy says he is the incarnation of a demon and his purpose is pretty dark. He is a bad person, not some great hero.
This is the verse, but I am not sure how that would help you, anyway here you go...That's really interesting. would you kindly and link me to the prophesy from the scriptures?
This is the verse, but I am not sure how that would help you, anyway here you go...
mahamadh ithi khayat, shishya-sakha-samniviyath 5
....... mahadev marusthal nivasinam.
mahadevthe snanya-pya punch-gavua samnivithya
tripurarsur-nashav bahu-maya pravathiney 7
malech-dharma shav shudhaya sat-chit-anandaya swarupye,
thva ma hei kinkare vidhii sharanaghatham 8
suta uvacha: ithi shurthiya sthav deva shabadh-mah nupaya tam,
gath-vaya bhojraj-ney mahakhaleshwar-sthale 9
malech-shu dhu****a bhumi-vahika nam-vishritha
arya dharma hi nav-vathra vahike desh-darunya 10
vamu-vatra maha-mayi yo-sav dagdho myaa pura
tripuro bali-daithyane pro****h punaragath 11
ayoni sa varo math prasava daithyo-vrudhan
mahamadh ithi khayath , paishacha-kruthi thathpar 12
nagathvaya thvya bhup paisachae desh-vartake
math prasadhayane bhupal tav shudhii prajayathe 13
thi shruthva nupshav svadesha-napu maragmath
mahamadh toi sdhav sindhu-thir mupaye-yav 14
uchav bhupati premane mahamadh-virshad
tva deva maharaja das-tva magath 15
mamo-chit sabhu jiya-dhatha tatpashya bho nup
ithi shruthya ththa hata para vismaya-magath16
malechdhano mathi-shasi-tatsaya bhupasaya darutho17
tucha tva kalidas-sthu rusha praah mahamadham
maya-thei nirmithi dhutharya nush-mohan-hethvei 18
hanishyami-duravara vahik purusha-dhamum
ityak va sa jidh shrimanava-raja-tathpar 19
japthya dush-sah-trayach tah-sahansh juhav sa
bhasm mutva sa mayavi malech-dev-tva-magath 20
maybhithashtu tachya-shyaa desh vahii-kamayuuah
guhitva svaguro-bhasm madaheen tva-magatham 21
swapiit tav bhu-ghyot-thro-shrumadh-tathpara
madaheen puro jath thosha trith sayam smurthaum 22
rathri sa dev-roop-shav bahu-maya-virshad
paisacha deha-marathaya bhojraj hi so trivith 23
arya-dharmo hei to raja-sarvoutham smurth
ishapraya karinayami paishacha dharma darunbhu 24
linga-chedri shikhaheen shamshu dhaari sa dhushak
yukhalapi sarva bhakshi bhavishyat jano maum 25
vina kaul cha pashav-thosha bhakshava matha maum
muslanav sanskar kushariv bhavishyat 26
tasman-musal-vanto hi jathiyo dharma dhushika
ithi pishacha-dharma mya kruth 27
pishachas translates to demons in sanskrit
Thanks. I'm looking for if it can help me because I don't believe in it, I'm just interested in the context how it is put. Is "mahamadh " the word for Muhammad? What is the full literal translation of the last verse? Are Veda/Geeta verses believed to be revealed by a higher power/God? If not, what is the source?
By the way, I'm just asking questions. I'm not debating. I respect having religious beliefs of one's own.
Are Veda/Geeta verses believed to be revealed by a higher power/God? If not, what is the source?
No worries.
Post #6 provides the translation but here is also a link from Wikiislam:
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Bhavishya_Purana
The Vedas are considered the eternal truth, from God. The Gita/Geeta is literally spoken by God (but they are separate scriptures). However the scripture with the prophecy of Mohammad is not from those scriptures but rather from a more recent, most likely manipulated Hindu text. It can't be trusted. It's really ironic that so many Muslims actually believe that this Hindu prophecy is real even though the actual translation says that Mohammad is a bad man.
Does that recent scripture, referred to in red above, in general go under the same name as Vedas/Geeta, or do they have another name? I have to ask that since being recent kinda confuses me with the description of Vedas/Geeta (in green).
Sorry for those many questions. I'm completely oblivious in this department.
A good way to think about the different is that the Vedas are to Hinduism hat the Quran is to Islam while the Puranas are to Hinduism more like what the Hadiths are to Islam.
That is understandable. Muslims were invaders when these lines in puranas were written, and as is usual with Abrahamic invaders, they do not act like humans.The important thing to note here is that the prophesy says he is the incarnation of a demon and his purpose is pretty dark. He is a bad person, not some great hero.
Believers say Vedas and Gita are directly from God. God inspired the RigVedic poets; and the charioteer of the blind king, Dhritarashtra, of the loosing faction in the Mahabharata war, the Kauravas, listened (and saw) the conversation between Lord Krishna, who was acting as the charioteer of the main warrior of the winning faction, Arjuna of the Pandavas, with his special powers. Lord Krishna had promised to the Kauravas not to lift a weapon in that war. But I take all that with a .Are Veda/Geeta verses believed to be revealed by a higher power/God?
Believers say Vedas and Gita are directly from God. God inspired the RigVedic poets; and the charioteer of the blind king, Dhritarashtra, of the loosing faction in the Mahabharata war, the Kauravas, listened (and saw) the conversation between Lord Krishna, who was acting as the charioteer of the main warrior of the winning faction, Arjuna of the Pandavas, with his special powers. Lord Krishna had promised to the Kauravas not to lift a weapon in that war. But I take all that with a .
Mohammad became Mahamadh in the same way and Sindhu (Indus) became Darya-e-Sindh/Hind with Persians and Arabs. There is no prophesy in RigVeda, Gita or Upanishads. The concept of prophesy did not exist at that time. All that is in later puranas (sort of histories).
Appreciate your questions, Smart_Guy.
could or could not be, I am not sure about arabic countries as to how they address muslims in arabic but many Indians refer muslims as mahamadeeyaas or musalmaans in urdu. So mahamada could refer to Muhammad. I am a little bit aware of urdu as the place I live in India, Hyderabad the accent of hindi has many urdu words.Is "mahamadh " the word for Muhammad?
That's not true. You can just google the relevant words within the Scripture. I do it all the time.Is Vedas/Geeta a documented scripture? If it is, I guess the best way to find out is to find a full record of it and search for yourself to get an undisputed unbiased answer. I'm not sure if you can really find someone here on RF memorizing a whole scripture. I don't memorize the whole Quran, for example, but I can refer to it in full easily with different methods including the internet.
Otherwise I'd consider any answer a speculation.
If it is not a documented scripture, then I guess it's almost impossible to find a true answer unless you find someone memorizing it in full, which still could be doubtful.
Any idea when was Vedas/Geeta founded?