oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
You are just in denial, I'm sad to say, and so you chuck your personal insults in some pathetic attempt to win credibility through them.
Sad.
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Is progressive revelation believable?
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oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
It's time to read Wallbridge. When you've read his works we'll guide you on from there.
If you want facts then you'll have to make an effort, Trailblazer.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
I can read your posts. I can write replies.
Now let the other members decide whether you are simply dishonest in your claim above, or just a deeply insulting person.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Why should I believe that Wallbridge is unbiased factual information?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
..... because you're going to find out! You're going to research and investigate, I would hope. Wallbridge's works will help you to decide Wallbtridge's integrity.
Of course, you could start here. Let's take the decades old claim by Bahais that Bahai advises the United Nations. Do you believe that? If so, I'll do my best to show you how this is absolute bunkum...... would you like to start there? One step at a time.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Don't try and change the subject, Trailblazer.
I tell you what....... I'll respond to your redirection if you'll give me an answer to my point that Bahai's years old claim that it advises the UN is hogwash. OK? Deal?
Now I'll answer your new point, above.
I think it was in 1955 that Bahai wrote to the UN Secretary General with a proposal about a revision to its original charter.
You never did show us the Secretary General's reply, or any info that could show us that the UN acted upon this letter. But I think you'll have trouble with that.
You know, I think I will write to the present Secretary General of the UN next week, proposing that all delegates will wear green suits at meetings in future to demonstrate their concerns over global warming. Then maybe you could assure all members on RF that Oldbadger does indeed advise the UN.
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Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I just did. Recommendations are advising. What the UN did with those recommendations is not relevant.
The article
3 Apparent Truths: the Baha’i Call to Reform the UN
states:
The Charter Revision letter the world’s Baha’is sent to Dag Hammarskjold, then the Secretary-General of the United Nations, reveals a great deal about how Baha’is view the evolution of a world government:
Dear Mr. Secretary-General:
The Baha’i International Community, in its capacity of an international nongovernmental organization, submits recommendations for revision of the Charter of United Nations and the Statute of the International Court of Justice.
These recommendations constitute the considered views of the twelve National Baha’i Assemblies representing the Baha’is of Iran, India, Pakistan and Burma, Australia and New Zealand, Iraq, Egypt and Sudan, Germany and Austria, Italy and Switzerland, the British Isles, Canada, Central America, South America and the United States. Their participation unites a wide diversity of national, racial and religious backgrounds in one common concept of the structure needed to establish justice and peace.
In submitting its recommendations the Baha’i International Community is concerned with the desperate condition into which the nations and peoples of the world have fallen. The seeds of destruction are sown within as well as without the present membership of United Nations. No minor and legalistic adjustment of the Charter, the Baha’is are convinced, can restore the supremacy of moral law in the conduct of human affairs nor seize control of events from the chaos which engulfs mankind. The Baha’is appeal to every enlightened and responsible statesman associated with United Nations to grasp, before it is too late, this providential opportunity to create a political organism commensurate with the new and unprecedented character of the world in our time.
The Baha’i recommendations are based upon three apparent truths: that real sovereignty is no longer vested in the institutions of the national state because the nations have become interdependent; that the existing crisis is moral and spiritual as well as political; and that the existing crisis can only be surmounted by the achievement of a world order representative of the peoples as well as the nations of mankind.
The Baha’i concept of world order is defined in these terms: A world Super-State in whose favor all the nations of the world will have ceded every claim to make war, certain rights to impose taxation and all rights to maintain armaments, except for purposes of maintaining internal order within their respective dominions. This State will have to include an International Executive adequate to enforce supreme and unchallengeable authority on every recalcitrant member of the Commonwealth; a World Parliament whose members are elected by the peoples in their respective countries and whose election is confirmed by their respective governments: a Supreme Tribunal whose judgment has a binding effect even in cases where the parties concerned have not voluntarily agreed to submit their case to its consideration.
Since action by peoples as well as governments is essential, the Baha’i recommendations include the proposal that consideration of revision by United Nations be accompanied by wide dissemination of the principles of international relations and the calling of peoples’ conventions to register the general will.
Impossible as the achievement of world order may appear to traditionalist or partisan, mankind is passing through a crucial stage likened to that of an individual entering maturity and using new powers and faculties beyond the grasp of irresponsible youth. Unassailable is the position that any lesser international body represents a compromise with the forces of disaster and destruction.
In support of its thesis the Baha’i International Community presents with this letter an annex citing references to the subject in Baha’i writings, and an annex proposing specific revisions.
Sincerely,
Baha’i International Community
This cover letter (we’ll get to the actual recommendations in subsequent essays in this series) was written in May of 1955, when the USSR and the USA were locked in a de-stabilizing, nuclear-armed Cold War that threatened the stability and survival of humanity.
You said that Bahai's years old claim that it advises the UN is hogwash. I just proved it is not hogwash.
How is it relevant to the point whether the UN replied or the UN acted upon the letter?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Oh dear, Trailblazer!
OK..... I am going to become your adviser, Trailblazer, and you're going to be able to support my claim as such, because I have advised you........ true?
No?
See?
And there you have it. Bahai sends its flyers to governments, Queens, Kings, organisations, and who knows elsewhere. Let's call it a kind of junk mail because replies are either diplomatic put-downs or non existent.
No...... Bahai does sit as witness on the Human Rights section of the UN, where Witnesses are forbidden to speak or attempt to take part.
And as for the flyers and unsolicited letters...... more Bahai BS, I'm afraid.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
I was looking forward to your description of your 'Local Law Officer' work, Tony. You know, the work that made you a capable investigator.
But I got impatient and so looked about:-
AUSTRALIA. 'Local Law Officer'
Search:- What is 'local law officer'?
Google:- Local Laws Officers. ... Roles include animal management, traffic enforcement, local laws and school crossing supervision. Education is an important part of the role the Local Laws Officer plays in the community and is a large factor in increasing compliance with legislation, with enforcement being the last step.
Which were you involved in, Tony?
Dog Warden? School crossing attendant? Traffic Warden?
That explains things people
. . . but your unable to cite specific sources supporting your acrid agenda.I can read your posts. I can write replies.
Now let the other members decide whether you are simply dishonest in your claim above, or just a deeply insulting person.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Rubbish.
Why do you write such insulting rubbish?
No coherent response to T Rump's crimes. Rubbish.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Ignore
Who is Wallbridge? reference please.
Still no primary Baha'i references concerning your assertions concerning the exile of Baha'u'llah. Why should we believe anything else you assert?
Still waiting . . .
SOP denial
Which were you involved in, Tony?
Dog Warden? School crossing attendant? Traffic Warden?
The entire issue to note OB, is that I do not use my career as a basis to say I am fair and Just in my determination about a Messenger of God. I note your choice of Council law enforcement roles offered to me, from the list you originally posted, aimed at roles suiting a specific OB agenda.
To answer your question I started my council career partly in Animal Control as it was done jointly with many other tasks. I was involved in local law investigation and enforcement, to which I do not need to expand on, as local laws are available to all. I then spent time in building code inspections and enforcement and on to Town planning approvals, inspections and enforcement. I also did many years in road maintenance and construction. Now I work in Work Health and Safety.
That's my life, but none of it showed me who Baha'u'llah was. It was the pure heart of my wife that opened the door for me to consider looking at who Baha'u'llah was. So I looked and I read and It was the enormity of his Justice in the face of injustices He was confronted with, that gave me strength and confidence of heart that He was indeed who He claimed to be.
Nothing to do with my career in this world.
Regards Tony
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Look up John Wallbridge and Talisman group. Linda Wallbridge as well.
Regards Tony
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Asks the member who sends insulting nasty posts to others who ask civil questions, and refuses to quote the Bahai version of Bahauallah's exiles etc.
Go away, Shuny.......
Why would I quote Bahai references when you refuse to?
Look, I don't like you, and you don't like me, so let's stop bothering with each other, eh?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
But you did!
What a silly response! I am most interested in all of the positions, and respect them! I give those jobs much respect.
You seem to make opposition in to a wicked-mind, or 'Pharisee' and automatically presume a kind of evil (which Bahai is supposed to deny).
Imagine a Bahai government that turns all opposition in to something wicked. Once that is down you could all feel righteous about sending your armed police out, maybe?
Then the info had no value for this discussion!
You keep insinuating that I have agenda, Tony...... and my mention of my past work was because I was often instructed to find positive info for paying clients but could find obnly negative info........ now yiou just try reporting that to paying clients, Tony.
It's called Integrity, Tony, and objective research.
I think we're done here, for now.