Is God pro-abortion?

[Subduction Zone]

Ok explain to me in the context of the ancient jews why this needs to mean abortion and not something else? Could it be u are interpreting it was a 21st century person?

Is there anywhere else you can find in the bible that substantiates that interpretation of this text and is perhaps more clear? Is other texts outside the bible that takes the view I have described?

If u are unable to show that is the thinking of the ancient jews or present another instance were that view is presented clearer then it's a vague bit of text that u are choosing to interpret in that way rather it being clear

It does not "have to mean abortion". By context it would often end in abortion. That is clear. A person not being pregnant does not mean that that pregnant people would not lose their fetuses in this "test". All that has to be shown is that abortion would be a clear result and an accurate interpretation tells us that is the case, at least if the magic part is correct.

 

[tarasan]

It does not "have to mean abortion". By context it would often end in abortion. That is clear. A person not being pregnant does not mean that that pregnant people would not lose their fetuses in this "test". All that has to be shown is that abortion would be a clear result and an accurate interpretation tells us that is the case, at least if the magic part is correct.

It clearly doesn't it just talks about a withering of the abdomain, that could mean tissue damage like causing a scar, gut problems, like a cramp, it could be eggs withering which would cause baroness not abortion. It could mean all kinds of things.

So again why does it have to be abortion and not these other things?

Why as an ancient jew would that withering mean abortion?

Do u have any other documents that make it clearer?

 

[ElishaElijah]

It is quite prophetic and much more accurate than Zeke's failed Tyre prophecy. You have to demote all prophecy to the level of your example to have that be fulfilled.

But I do like how you treat the fact that your version of God is a very evil one for granted.

And yet you rely on them every day of your life. Don't you think that is more than a little bit hypocritical? If you don't believe these teachers why do you enjoy their fruits almost continually?

You are the one who trusts the scholars, I encouraged you to study for yourself, that’s what everyone is supposed to do, except you don’t have to because you’re not a believer and make stuff up, believe the lie and continue to be deceived.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It clearly doesn't it just talks about a withering of the abdomain, that could mean tissue damage like causing a scar, gut problems, like a cramp, it could be eggs withering which would cause baroness not abortion. It could mean all kinds of things.

So again why does it have to be abortion and not these other things?

Why as an ancient jew would that withering mean abortion?

Do u have any other documents that make it clearer?

No, that particular word is not about the abdomen. I already linked a source that explained how it meant womb the ten other times it was used in the Bible. Are you trying to state that this case is different. If so the burden of proof is upon you. Again, don't focus on just the words. That is an error when it comes to understanding a language. You need to look at what the words mean in context and how they are used.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are the one who trusts the scholars, I encouraged you to study for yourself, that’s what everyone is supposed to do, except you don’t have to because you’re not a believer and make stuff up, believe the lie and continue to be deceived.

Yes, I trust real honest scholars that interpret the Bible by what it means, not by what they want it to mean. You do not rely on scholars, you rely on apologists. They are not the same thing at all. Scholars are required to be honest. A dishonest scholar quickly loses his job and any credibility that the ever had. You rely on apologists, and they are often required to lie. Lying is an asset if one is an apologist.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Yes, I trust real honest scholars that interpret the Bible by what it means, not by what they want it to mean. You do not rely on scholars, you rely on apologists. They are not the same thing at all. Scholars are required to be honest. A dishonest scholar quickly loses his job and any credibility that the ever had. You rely on apologists, and they are often required to lie. Lying is an asset if one is an apologist.

You really have gone mad, one of your “trusted” scholars is an apostate and false teacher like yourself.

 

[ElishaElijah]

And yet you rely on them every day of your life. Don't you think that is more than a little bit hypocritical? If you don't believe these teachers why do you enjoy their fruits almost continually?

God is the Author of the Bible, He is the Creator and Judge, He owns everything, and so you’re saying a judge is now wrong and immoral for prosecuting criminals.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You really have gone mad, one of your “trusted” scholars is an apostate and false teacher like yourself.

LOL! "Apostate" fundamentalist term for someone that understands the Bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

God is the Author of the Bible, He is the Creator and Judge, He owns everything, and so you’re saying a judge is now wrong and immoral for prosecuting criminals.

Why do you constantly claim that your God is a liar and incompetent? Countless errors and self contradictions tell us that you think that God is a fool.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Why do you constantly claim that your God is a liar and incompetent? Countless errors and self contradictions tell us that you think that God is a fool.

No, I’m saying that He said you were all those things you just accused Him of.

 

[ElishaElijah]

LOL! "Apostate" fundamentalist term for someone that understands the Bible.

Ehrman is an apostate and false teacher, just a little review of his books and teaching show that.

 

[ElishaElijah]

LOL! "Apostate" fundamentalist term for someone that understands the Bible.

Are judges who sentence criminals and police who car

LOL! "Apostate" fundamentalist term for someone that understands the Bible.

Richard Cevantis Carrier (born December 1, 1969) is an American author and activist, whose work focuses on empiricism, atheism, and the historicity of Jesus. A long-time contributor to self-published philosophical web sites, including The Secular Weband Freethought Blogs, Carrier has published a number of books and articles on philosophy and religion in classical antiquity, discussing the development of early Christianity from a skepticalviewpoint, and concerning religion and morality in the modern world. He has publicly debated a number of scholars on the historical basis of the Bible and Christianity. He is a prominent advocate of the theory that Jesus did not exist, which he has argued in a number of his works.[2] Carrier's methodology and conclusions in this field have proven controversial and unconvincing to specialists,[3][4][5] and he and his theories are often identified as fringe.[6][7]
Is this your other Bible Scholar,lol? No wonder you’re so confused.

 

[tarasan]

No, that particular word is not about the abdomen. I already linked a source that explained how it meant womb the ten other times it was used in the Bible. Are you trying to state that this case is different. If so the burden of proof is upon you. Again, don't focus on just the words. That is an error when it comes to understanding a language. You need to look at what the words mean in context and how they are used.

No, that particular word is not about the abdomen. I already linked a source that explained how it meant womb the ten other times it was used in the Bible. Are you trying to state that this case is different. If so the burden of proof is upon you. Again, don't focus on just the words. That is an error when it comes to understanding a language. You need to look at what the words mean in context and how they are used.

Exactly but you aren't looking at it in context, that word can mean multiple things like womb abdomain or stomach, and while in the bible it does at times mean womb there are other times when it does not e.g. song of songs 7:3. That is why as you say we need to see the context of what is happening in the text were it is used. Is it obvious that it means womb? No

 

[Subduction Zone]

Exactly but you aren't looking at it in context, that word can mean multiple things like womb abdomain or stomach, and while in the bible it does at times mean womb there are other times when it does not e.g. song of songs 7:3. That is why as you say we need to see the context of what is happening in the text were it is used. Is it obvious that it means womb? No

Sorry, but I am. You need to do better than "what if". It was already explained to you how certain words were used.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Are judges who sentence criminals and police who car

Richard Cevantis Carrier (born December 1, 1969) is an American author and activist, whose work focuses on empiricism, atheism, and the historicity of Jesus. A long-time contributor to self-published philosophical web sites, including The Secular Weband Freethought Blogs, Carrier has published a number of books and articles on philosophy and religion in classical antiquity, discussing the development of early Christianity from a skepticalviewpoint, and concerning religion and morality in the modern world. He has publicly debated a number of scholars on the historical basis of the Bible and Christianity. He is a prominent advocate of the theory that Jesus did not exist, which he has argued in a number of his works.[2] Carrier's methodology and conclusions in this field have proven controversial and unconvincing to specialists,[3][4][5] and he and his theories are often identified as fringe.[6][7]
Is this your other Bible Scholar,lol? No wonder you’re so confused.

Oh my, I am not the confused one. He regularly debates your sort of experts. He does far better than they do. And even more important, he does not have to lie to support his beliefs.

 

[tarasan]

Sorry, but I am. You need to do better than "what if". It was already explained to you how certain words were used.

And I have shown an example of how the same word is used in a different context in the bible. You are the one making a claim. I am saying I don't know what it means, your saying it means abortion.

So with the context that this word is used differently in the bible, that it can mean different things, why specifically your definition and not others

 

[ElishaElijah]

Oh my, I am not the confused one. He regularly debates your sort of experts. He does far better than they do. And even more important, he does not have to lie to support his beliefs.

I like the “fringe” part

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ehrman is an apostate and false teacher, just a little review of his books and teaching show that.

Nope, unlike the poor fools that you rely on he is another honest scholar.

When people seriously study the Bible they almost always come to a point when they realize that it is not at all true if one approaches it honestly. Understanding the Bible is the number one cause of atheism.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I like the “fringe” part

Does he really deny that Jesus Christ existed? Lol

 

[Subduction Zone]

I like the “fringe” part

And yet he constantly defeats apologists. Strange, isn't it?