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Featured Interesting experiment with violence in Scriptures

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  1. stvdv

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    In Holland they did a nice experiment. They took a Holy Scripture and highlighted some violent passages, and showed it to the people and asked some questions. Also interesting to see when those people found out from which scripture the verses came. All this to confront ourselves with our prejudices

    Just 3m30s

     
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    I couldn't catch all the subtitles but got the gist .

    I think the experiment was derived from Philip Jenkins work on text analysis between violence in the Qur'an vs violence in the bible
    Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?
     
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    Seen that before, it's quite old...

    And funny indeed :)

    Yes, the bible is just as bad when it comes to this stuff... the difference is that christians these days tend to ignore all those horrible bits. To the point even of not even teaching it anymore in religious classes. This is why they are so surprised it comes from the bible. They have no clue.

    EDIT: idd, I see it was uploaded back in 2015
     
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  4. stvdv

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    I don't understand, on my laptop All is default English subtitled, and I can even get it with French subtitles:)
     
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    I like this video :) I guess a few people will get a shock to know the truth :)
     
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    There's nothing more fun on a COVID-19 weekday afternoon than to watch these mini outbreaks of sophomoric bible-bashing.
     
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    Just to clarify my own answer :) it was not to bash the Bible or Christians:)
     
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    Super interesting! I love how they were able to take it. I feel in the states that this experiment would have been received in a very different way; especially in the more god fearing regions.
     
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    Clearly, that is also not the intention, of the people who made this video:); it is a very positive video
     
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    The man who made the video said in an interview:
    "the whole video is about prejudice, and now we decided to take Bible/Koran to focus on, because nowadays many have prejudices about the Islam. One reason is, that the media shows mostly 1 side of the story, and we tried to give the other side by making this video".

    When asked the question "did you have to search long in the Bible to find verses that people might think were from Koran?", he responded "there is a website;) ...Google ... that gave us the answers"

    So, it might be that the also stumbled upon your site searching for verses
     
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    There is popular religion, and there is scriptural literalism.
    Christianity went through its periods of literal fundamentalism, but largely burned itself out. Today's Christians have no desire to repeat the bloodshed and repression of that period.
    Islam had no bloody reformation, and has less experience with secular societies. I'd guess a higher proportion of the faithful are still literalists. Add to this the imperialism and economic exploitation from the west, and you get a perfect storm of resentment and fundamentalist backlash.
     
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    Really? What exactly do you see as 'bible-bashing' in this video?
     
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    To me this just confirms that both books are HORRIBLE as sources of moral guidance.
     
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    See, for example, ...
     
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    :rolleyes:

    :cool:

    Admitting mistakes is a tough one on ego
     
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    I see it as a challenge and opportunity to use and cultivate our discrimination and common sense.

    Human life is all about evolution, growing and learning and evolving. Why should Spiritual books be like food that should be spoonfed only. We do have Bible for children, and those start with baby steps (nice stories).

    Dealing with 'negative' stories in the right way is for the more advanced an appropriate challenge
     
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    That's what I also found interesting.

    Maybe Christians not responding to this thread might be an indication to that already.
     
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    I did not think of that yet. Probably it's as simple as that (they never were taught)
     
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    Humanity is full of violence, hence it was needed to put the negative verses in the Divine educational study material. Seems logical to me now. God is perfect, so I knew there was a reason for Bible violence, but just now I clearly see the value of the negative verses and the need to study them or their concept.

    The negative verses in the Scriptures are as valuable as the positive verses (I am curious how @KenS thinks about this)

    Yin and Yang

    The positive verses are the "to do" lessons
    The negative verses are the "not to do" lessons

    BUT this also implies the need of good teachers.

    So, clearly in Islam and in Christianity the teachers need to be checked, whether or not they teach the negative verses in the right way, otherwise those Scriptures lead to disaster instead of Peace.
     
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    In a way it seems that reading about violence in a book you consider from God, actually can lead to this violence (as seen with the Koran still now, and with the Bible mostly in the past)

    A humane idea would be to not teach and show the violent verses, but this is only safe if violent verses are deleted

    But in God's creation every detail is needed or has it's use (except maybe the bee that was bugging me yesterday, although I once read that if the bees die out, that would be kind of catastrophical also)

    So teaching both, but making clear not to follow the 'negative' and violent verses seems to me the better option, unless the violent verses are deleted. Because otherwise a kid or even 'adult' might read them and act on them.
     
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