Infiltrating a Far-Right, Christian Nationalist, Megachurch Conference (3 posts long)

[Revoltingest]

For me it always comes down to things like the view of the individual, a quest for truth, etc. For instance I'm not a fan of the Church of Satan for promoting collectivist ideology, or claiming to be the only form of Satanism, or ideas like the Yazidi being Devil Worshipers.

Hmmmm...doesn't describe atheists I know.

 

[1137]

Find one that has a drag queen for a pastor: Drag Queen | Ms. Penny Cost
That would be a good start.

I will legitimately look into this.

 

[1137]

Hmmmm...doesn't describe atheists I know.

It's not intended to describe all atheists. My longest, closest friend is an atheist, and several other close friends and people I respect.

 

[Laniakea]

I will legitimately look into this.

I wouldn't suggest actually going there--or anywhere similar.

 

[1137]

I wouldn't suggest actually going there--or anywhere similar.

Why? It's a fair point that I should observe and report on the opposite. This seems ... pretty opposite.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's not intended to describe all atheists. My longest, closest friend is an atheist, and several other close friends and people I respect.

Satan worshiping collectivists....none I've ever known.

 

[1137]

Satan worshiping collectivists....none I've ever known.

Satan worshipers and atheism are mutually exclusive categories. I know the Satanic Reds were rooted more in communism but no idea if they were theists. I'd say the national socialistic view of ONA also shows a type of elitist-collectivism, such as with the Code of Kindred Honor.

 

[Revoltingest]

Satan worshipers and atheism are mutually exclusive categories.

Agree.

 

[1137]

You covered a far right church, what does a far left church look like?

Question: must it be a Christian church or stereotypical place of worship? Or could it be like a secular protest or something?

 

[Viker]

I suppose TST could be considered "leftist". I don't think they could be considered far left.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

To him, the body is as, if not more important than, the mind, something that actually shocked me. To him, the body is central to identity rather than the will. He blames this preference for the will for things like abortion, transgenderism, homosexuality, euthanasia, transhumanism, and several more examples (it was only 45 minutes). For instance, he says that modern society says abortion is okay because a fetus is “not a person,” as it lacks personhood because it does not have a conscious self. He says that transgenderism is rooted in the idea that what you feel like overrides what you are “biologically,” same with homosexuality overriding a supposedly biological drive to reproduce. He sees the root of all this in Gnostic Dualism.

I've seen this sort of thought expressed many times here in RF, when the subjects of anything sexual come up. It is, to me, truly bizarre. One of the problems with it is that it explains almost zero about what we now know humans are capable of -- largely because of that mysterious organ behind our eyes and between our ears, that can make us mathematical geniuses, musical prodigies, sublime writers, serial murderers and psychopaths, and so much more, none of which can be explained by "the body."

 

[Callisto]

Considering I am a wanderer of the Left Hand Path and angry centerist, likely most would be the same. I'd definitely attend such a church and report back though, I just don't know of any.

Unitarian Universalist. But you'd possibly be bored, they're accepting of other beliefs.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Question: must it be a Christian church or stereotypical place of worship? Or could it be like a secular protest or something?

Maybe a place where left-wing theists hang out in.

I'm a right wing atheist, theres gotta be left wing theists out there in religion land.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Question: must it be a Christian church or stereotypical place of worship? Or could it be like a secular protest or something?

Maybe a place where left-wing theists hang out in.

I'm a right wing atheist, theres gotta be left wing theists out there in religion land.

 

[1137]

Unitarian Universalist. But you'd possibly be bored, they're accepting of other beliefs.

That was my first thought but UU seems more neutral than inverse of Nationalism.

 

[Callisto]

That was my first thought but UU seems more neutral than inverse of Nationalism.

Hmm. Then what about United Church of Christ, United Methodist, Episcopal, or Evangelical Lutheran Church In America (ELCA)?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Maybe a place where left-wing theists hang out in.

I'm a right wing atheist, theres gotta be left wing theists out there in religion land.

The fact of the matter is, atheists typically lean to the left (Democrat) -- about 69%. 17% lean neither way, and only 15% lean right (Republican). This does not surprise me.

 

[☆Dreamwind☆]

The bad thing is, that they're very transparent in their nastiness. The good thing is, that their transparency warns off every decent hearted, intelligent person within a billion mile radius. I'll take chest-thumping loud mouths, over quiet clever sneaks.

 

[1137]

The fact of the matter is, atheists typically lean to the left (Democrat) -- about 69%. 17% lean neither way, and only 15% lean right (Republican). This does not surprise me.

True. But I don't think religion requires theism.

 

[Unfettered]

True. But I don't think religion requires theism.

You are correct. Religion only requires moral assertions. So every human being who espouses or asserts a moral understanding or system is religious.