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Inefficient US Heath Care System Causes Drop in Life Expectancy

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Sunstone, Oct 30, 2010.

  1. Sunstone

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    "A new study says life expectancy in the United States has plunged over the last decade. According to Health Affairs, the US now ranks forty-ninth in the world in life expectancy, down from twenty-fourth place in 1999. The study authors cited what they called the United States’ "uniquely inefficient" healthcare system as the primary cause."

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    I'm interested in how or on what grounds people are going to rationalize away or dismiss this report? If this report is to be believed, then how do you think they will do that?

    Also, if you are a US citizen, and you consider this report to be accurate, then what do you make of the fact you are likely to die sooner than you need to merely because your country lacks the political will to fix its health care system?

    Last, how should one rationalize that away so that one can go one's happy way again? What's the most persuasive BS for dismissing the facts here, assuming they are indeed facts?
     
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    I'm more inclined to follow a study that is not overtly influenced by its political agendas. Hard to do. Sad really.

    Personally I think the local obituary column is a more accurate medium to ascertain if folks are indeed dying at a younger age than in the past.
     
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    I didn't see a study in the linked article. Do you have another one? It also seems odd that life expectancy would plunge due to health care, given that we've made advances in medicine.
    If it dropped relative to other countries, that would seem more plausible since they'd be improving far more. I wonder how they factored in other factors, such as our worse diet.
     
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    This proves that we must repeal Obamacare immediately!{/sarcasm]
     
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    health advances and new medication is a separate issue.
    The UK health system would also be better, if cost were not a factor. Some new advances are only available to those rich enough to afford them, otherwise they fall out side the private health insurance, or government health service parameters.

    In the US it is even worse as fewer people have full coverage.

    In money no object medicine, there is little difference between any country.
     
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    They affect life expectancy, making their effect relevant to the OP.

    All fine opinions, but they don't address my questions about the claim in the OP.
     
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    Health care is less equal in the USA than many western countries.
    So why are you surprised by the death rates.
     
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    The United States is the only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not have a universal health care system.
    ( Source: Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences)

    Countries with universal health care.

    Country-- Start Date of Universal Health Care-- System Type

    Norway 1912 Single Payer
    New Zealand 1938 Two Tier
    Japan 1938 Single Payer
    Germany 1941 Insurance Mandate
    Belgium 1945 Insurance Mandate
    United Kingdom 1948 Single Payer
    Kuwait 1950 Single Payer
    Sweden 1955 Single Payer
    Bahrain 1957 Single Payer
    Brunei 1958 Single Payer
    Canada 1966 Single Payer
    Netherlands 1966 Two-Tier
    Austria 1967 Insurance Mandate
    United Arab Emirates 1971 Single Payer
    Finland 1972 Single Payer
    Slovenia 1972 Single Payer
    Denmark 1973 Two-Tier
    Luxembourg 1973 Insurance Mandate
    France 1974 Two-Tier
    Australia 1975 Two Tier
    Ireland 1977 Two-Tier
    Italy 1978 Single Payer
    Portugal 1979 Single Payer
    Cyprus 1980 Single Payer
    Greece 1983 Insurance Mandate
    Spain 1986 Single Payer South
    Korea 1988 Insurance Mandate
    Iceland 1990 Single Payer
    Hong Kong 1993 Two-Tier
    Singapore 1993 Two-Tier
    Switzerland 1994 Insurance Mandate
    Israel 1995 Two-Tier
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    In 2006, the percentage of Americans without health insurance was 15.8%, or approximately 47 million uninsured people.
    (Source: US Census Bureau)

    The United States ranks 43rd in lowest infant mortality rate, down from 12th in 1960 and 21st in 1990. Singapore has the lowest rate with 2.3 deaths per 1000 live births, while the United States has a rate of 6.3 deaths per 1000 live births. Some of the other 42 nations that have a lower infant mortality rate than the US include Hong Kong, Slovenia, and Cuba.
    (Source: CIA Factbook (2008))
     
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    Shocking. :no:

    Healthcare sucked balls before Obama came along. It still sucks balls after Obama's "reforms," the balls are just different, and maybe a little smaller.

    Let's face it: in this country, healthcare is a huge business. As long as it is a huge business, it will purchase itself power in government. Until the day comes when we convince our weak-a****, greedy politicians that we care more about the right of the average American to have decent and complete health care without breaking his bank account to get it, or having to make hideous O. Henry-esque choices about which we want more, healthcare or food or rent, than we care about the profits and the power of healthcare conglomerates and drug companies, we will all be in this same damn boat.

    Right now, the United States government is suffering from an acute case of head-up-the-a**-itis, and it will not be cured until we force them to cure it. Which, gauging by the total befuddlement, ignorance, and apathy of the American people, will not be anytime soon.
     
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    My 401K statement sucks.
    My investments are still down.
    Business is slow.

    I have less money for retirement now.
    If I live less years, I will be better off.

    Who wants to live so long that they will go to a nursing home and sit in a messy diaper anyway?
     
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    I found my place right in American history.

    Consume? :shrug:
     
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    I got nothin`.
    :sorry1:
     
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    The four greatest American industries are
    Medicine
    Arms
    Oil
    and banking

    The Steel and Motor industry has gone
    the IT industry is following

    The remaining top four are firmly enmeshed in Government.
     
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    Don't forget Food!

    And soon to be Water! :(
     
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    The word "best" has different meaning for different folks. For me personally, it's the
    best. For poor families with health problems it would suck compared to some others.

    Yet another wrinkle in evaluating how to design a health care system:
    http://www.livescience.com/health/americans-sicker-live-longer-than-english-101104.html
     
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    How do you define "Best"?

    I`m by no means poor and have few health problems in my family and I still think it sucks for numerous reasons.

    Whats up with that?
     
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    That's a tough one, eh? I like to avoid the word "best" for that very reason.
    I have enuf trouble just trying to figure out how we should make ours "better".
    You'll note that I have few recommendations for improvements....I'm still very much in the thinking-about-it phase.
    (Mrs Rev would have more to say, since she's in the health care analysis biz. But I can't get such expertise by osmosis.)
     
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