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Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by 2ndpillar, Feb 3, 2018.

  1. 2ndpillar

    2ndpillar Well-Known Member

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    You are correct that Paul says that you are released from the Law, and you surely shall not die, but as he is the son of hell, and his father says the same thing (Genesis 3:4), maybe you should question the source. Every one dies whether they stop sinning or not. (Jeremiah 31;30) If they turn from wickedness to righteousness, they will live (Ez 18:27). And as Yeshua said, even if they die, they will live again. (John 11:25). As for resurrecting the dead, supposedly the false prophet Paul even resurrected the dead (Acts 20:7-12). All the disciples were told to resurrect the dead when they preached repent, the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Elijah resurrected the dead. The first resurrection of Revelation 20:4-6, is with respect to those who will “reign with Christ for a thousand years” (Revelation 20:4). There is no “resurrection to heaven”, there is only a resurrection of reigning in the kingdom of God on earth. You guys are so confused, it is a wonder you can sleep at night, especially with the bed seemingly being too short (Isaiah 28:20).
     
  2. URAVIP2ME

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    Because of the resurrection: one is considered as being alive although still dead at this time.
    Even King David did Not ascend as per Acts of the Apostles 2:34
    That is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.....

    If there is No resurrection to heaven, then how does one explain Jesus' words found at John 14:19 that the world sees Jesus No more. Also, where is Jesus' Father's house located with the prepared place in it of John 14:2-3.
    I find God's house is located in heaven as per 1 Kings 8:39,49.
    Any comments on Revelation 3:12 ( temple of Jesus' God)
    I find New Jerusalem is heavenly Jerusalem. Jerusalem ' above ' as per Galatians 4:26.
    As ancient Jerusalem was the seat of government, New Jerusalem is the seat of government which comes down to govern over Earth but its location as found at Revelation 3:21 is with heavenly thrones - Matthew 19:28.

    True, we pray for God's kingdom to 'come' of Daniel 2:44
    We do Not pray to be 'taken away' to the kingdom, nor pray to be 'taken up' to the kingdom, but for the kingdom to come, but to me ' come ' does Not mean those of Luke 22:28-30 will Not be where Jesus is - Hebrews 9:24.

    As Jesus is now the un-seen head of the Christian congregation but governs over it, so it shall be in the future.
    The invisible realm will govern over visible Earth (earthly society) for a thousand years - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.
    Visible / physical earthly society will be the humble meek who will inherit the Earth as Jesus' promised.
    Those who died before Jesus' died (John 3:13) have No heavenly calling and can be part of that meek class.
    However, there are those who die after Jesus' died who can reign in heaven with him as being part of the first or earlier resurrection of Revelation 20:6 to be where Jesus is.

    ... and a good night's sleep to you.
     
  3. 2ndpillar

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    Context, context, context. John 14:2-3, is a vision without substance without John 14:21. You have the wisp of a vision, with no physical presence. The “kingdom of heaven is at hand”, is with respect to the now on earth. You have failed the first test, to have “My commandments (Matthew 19:17), and keep them”, and to “keep my word”, and We will come to him, and make our abode with him” (John 14:21). Your “Christian congregation” does not keep “My commandments”, and “We” do not make our abode with “him”. If that were so, they could do greater things than I. (John 14:12-14). The “kingdom of God” to “come”, is the actual physical kingdom of God to come, whereas the “Word of God” will rule the “nations” with a rod of iron. (Revelation 19:15). At that time, King David will rule, and the reunited Israel, will live on the land I gave to Jacob (Ezekiel 37:22-27), and “they will be my people”, and they will “keep my statutes”. As for one being physically dead, the dead are dead. As for the “walking dead”, they are simply spiritual dead, such as they transgressed the Law, but still physically alive. The coming "kingdom" will be a “physical realm”, in which the resurrected of Revelation 20:4 will also reign.
     
  4. URAVIP2ME

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    I find since Pentecost the 'Israel of God' is ' Spiritual Israel '- 1 Peter 2:9,5.
    The fleshly Israel of God has been abandoned by God - Matthew 23:38.
    Now, it is by spirit and Not by fleshly descent as per Romans 2:28-29.
    So, it is Not national Israel, but the new spiritual nation in which David will be ' prince ' - Psalms 45:16; Isaiah 32:1.
    David died before Jesus (John 3:13) so David will Not govern as a king, or priest as those of Revelation 5:9-10.
    God's servant David will be ' prince ' on Earth as per Ezekiel 34:24.
    The ' thrones' of Revelation 20:4 (Luke 22:30) are the 'heavenly thrones' of Revelation 3:21.
    Physically resurrected then Prince David, he will Not be on the heavenly throne of Revelation 3:21.
     
  5. 2ndpillar

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    As for your Ez 34:24, it is “the LORD, will be their God, and My servant David will be prince among them”. This is restated in Ez 37:24-26 as, “My servant David will be king over them, and they all will have one shepherd; and they will walk in My ordinance, and keep My statutes, and observe them. ….and I will set my sanctuary in their midst forever….. . .and they will be my people” Ez 37:22,” And I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king will be king for all of them; and they will no longer be two nations, and they will no longer be divided into two kingdoms” This is with respect to “Judah” the “stick of Judah”, the Jews, and “Israel” the stick of “Israel”, which is “scattered among the nations” (Joel 3:2) & (Ez 36:24). There is no “Spiritual Israel”, as you say, there is “Israel”, which is being “crushed in judgment”, along with Judah, for the last 2 days/2000 years (Hosea 5:9-6:2). The only "spiritual" entity, would be Mount Zion, which has a ticket entry port (Isaiah 56:6). Your Gentiles, are the “adulteress” bought for the equivalence of 30 shekels of silver for “many days”, but “afterward the sons of Israel will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king; and they will come trembling to the LORD and to His goodness in the lasts days”.

    We are in the “last days”, and one would be advised to keep the “day of Preparation”, coming up at the end of March, and take out the leaven of the Pharisee of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy, and throw it out of the house. The Preparation Day precedes the Passover, which is the day that the angel of death passes over. The reigning of the “Christ” and those who had “not received the mark “, etc., “they came, and reigned with “Christ for a thousand years “(Rev 20:4). They reigned over the nations on earth, and they reigned with a “rod of iron” (Revelation 19:15). It seems that it might be worth knowing who the beast was, and what is the mark. The “beast” and the “false prophet” are both dead, and only their demon spirits are moving the “kings of the whole world” towards “Har-Magedon” (Revelation 16:13-19).
     
  6. URAVIP2ME

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    Since No one knows the day or hour as per Matthew 24:36 then it will Not be March 31st.

    We know we are in the last days of badness on Earth before Christ reigns over Earth for a thousand years.
    We are nearing the ' final phase ' of Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 with proclaiming the good news of Daniel 2:44.
    We are nearing the ' final signal ' of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when the 'powers that be ' will be saying," Peace and Security " as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14.
     
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    It is just possible that 1 Thessalonians is not a forecast of a real World-wide event, but it is a warning to each person that if he or she settles on his or her own ideas about being at peace with the way, the truth and the life THEN when The Truth does come to him or her he or she will experience the unexpected devastation of their faith because of trusting in the self and at that time they will not have any power to escape it.

    While they are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

    There is actually no definer attached to the word legōsin to describe a whole world condition, imo.

    It is warning to people for this event which happens to each person individually or by family. Revelation 3:20

    I can surely see that some people's faith in their own ideas is stronger than the words of The Spirit. They can't hear it.
     
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    It means if a person trusts that what he believes in is peace and security with God, then he won't leave it. Right? If he is wrong about his place with God then he is in danger of being ruined. It doesn't mean he will be. It's three dimensional. OK?
     
  9. 2ndpillar

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    The day of preparation starts the evening of March 30th, .the 14th day of the 1st month. March 31st marks the day the Passover lamb was slaughtered between the two evenings. That is the day one is to throw out the hypocrisy of the Pharisees/leaven. The feast of unleavened bread is the 15th day of the 1st month and lasts 7 days, and is when the angel of death flies over. As the blood was saved from the lamb and put on the lintels to ward off the angel of death to rain onto the first born of the Egyptians, the same parallel also follows with the “awesome day of the LORD” with respect to those on “Mount Zion” and “in Jerusalem”. There will be “survivors whom the LORD calls” (Joel 2:32.

    Being as the “LORD” does not “go forth to fight” until “Jerusalem” is “captured”(Zechariah 14:3), the world situation will have to deteriorate rapidly for this to take place next month. But then again, it only takes a couple of minutes to prep and launch an ICBM. Then you have the 5 months of “locusts”(Revelation 9:5), were men will wish to die, but cannot, before you get to the feast of booths, when the nations will have to keep that feast, or be without rain (Zechariah 14:17-18). But then again, you have the feast of trumpets (Isaiah 27:13) and day of atonement, which precedes the feast of tabernacles, which is directed at Israel. For those who forget the feast days, there is little chance of recognizing the parable of the fig tree (Matthew 24:32). My guess is that the feast of unleavened bread, the angel of death and ensuing migration of Israel, along with the destruction of Pharos army, is directed at the Egyptians/Gentiles/gathered nations (Zechariah 14:1-3), and 5 months later, the feast of trumpets is targeted at Israel. But then again, you are “saved” by way of Paul’s false gospel of grace, and have no worries, whether this year or at some other time.

    As for the day and the hour, God knows, and at the end of the age, nothing will be hidden (Daniel 12:10) & (Matthew 10:6) & (Mark 4:22) that will not be revealed. Paul is dead and buried, and his followers are on his same path, except that Paul now works via his demon spirit, per Revelation 16:13-19.
     
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    I believe I learned that the spiritual is not material.
     
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    Am I in the minority? I believe you should do a poll.
     
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    I believe having read the Bible several times that has never appeared to me. Are you sure that doesn't come from your own fantasies?
     
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    Daniel 12:10 Many will purify themselves, and make themselves white, and be refined; but the wicked will do wickedly; and none of the wicked will understand; but those who are wise will understand.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    If one is on the “broad” “way” to “destruction”(Matthew 7:13), they, as in the “many”, will be destroyed, unless they get off that path. Apparently, there is a baptism by “fire” in which 1/3 of the “little ones” will come through the “fire” “refined” but alive. (Zechariah 13:8-9)
     
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