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Discussion in 'Theological Concepts' started by Balthazzar, Aug 19, 2022.

  1. Balthazzar

    Balthazzar Christian Evolutionist

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    I'm sorry ... umm, I'll both agree and disagree.
     
  2. Goldemar

    Goldemar A queer sort

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    Then it seems you do have a particular concept of Heaven you are working off of. Respectfully, perhaps it is that concept of Heaven that is the problem if you are trying to imagine how we would achieve/sustain it given the difficulties we have getting on with each other at the moment. My concept of Heaven is of a place apart from this Earth, a place we will not get to until we are spiritually ready for it. When we are spiritually ready for it we will have no problem living there in a state of perpetual peace and harmony eternally praising the Great God in Heaven. All those not spiritually ready will continue to live on Earth. So I believe.
     
  3. YoursTrue

    YoursTrue Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)

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    I wouldn't say people resent it when they're happy with life entirely, would you? Although I can't imagine a sane person saying they're happy with everything they see, hear, and experience. Since so many bad things are happening now, it's hard to say God is a tyrant ruling. Especially since He allows people to do their own thing now. And He will continue to do so, yet because He is the grand Judge, there will be a turning point insofar as His allowance goes.
     
  4. Balthazzar

    Balthazzar Christian Evolutionist

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    I would suggest that's the point of the op.
     
  5. Reyn

    Reyn The Hungry Abyss

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    If you are constantly happy, does happiness not lose its value?
     
  6. Balthazzar

    Balthazzar Christian Evolutionist

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    It doesn't for the very reason that the moment you become sorrowful the diffrence between experiences is acknowledged. This doesn't decrease the value of happiness. It solidifies the value through the awareness of the opposite of. That's the reason most seek betterment in life and happiness ... we understand the value of.
     
  7. Goldemar

    Goldemar A queer sort

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    Okay then!
     
  8. Reyn

    Reyn The Hungry Abyss

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    Where does it say people even remember the former times in scripture? Remember, the former things have passed away, such as death and sorrow. There will be no more tears. If you for example knew your loved ones were burning forever in Hell, would you be happy? Could you be? Unless you buy into annihilationism?
     
  9. Balthazzar

    Balthazzar Christian Evolutionist

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    I've considered it per Ecclesiastes and subscribe to on a personal level, but not on a future of humanity level. Perhaps eventually after the process'of evolution have evolved us (living beings) into what's to be. Life goes on in whatever new creation/forms that comes between here and there and after. Until then, and I'd suggest after, we continue the processes set before us. Annihilation? Into new creations according to scripture.
     
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    Madmogwai Madmogwai

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    Could a Heaven in another Realm be a result of Nature rather then a God
     
  11. Goldemar

    Goldemar A queer sort

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    What kind of Heaven, and what do you mean by Nature?
     
  12. Wildswanderer

    Wildswanderer Well-Known Member

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    I imagine heaven as endless exploration.
    The capability to be bored won't be available to us.
    I'm still not sure where you got this idea that we somehow keep heaven heavenly.
    God being quite literally in and through all would seem to be enough, don't you think?
    I hope the new earth includes all my favorite places only without the flaws.
    But we can never reach the end of God... so we can never experience imperfection in a perfect world.
     
  13. Balthazzar

    Balthazzar Christian Evolutionist

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    Are we on the enterprise? I think earth is the ship. In a not too far away future, a few billion years, we get to enter the black hole deeper, our sun also. An entry into what I would deem a new birth, but then maybe I'm romatisizing the journey and seeing a new creation that isn't there.
     
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    Truth in love Well-Known Member

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    I was referring the the law of Moses and the various sacrifices.
     
  15. Balthazzar

    Balthazzar Christian Evolutionist

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    I'm not Jewish so ....
     
  16. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    IMHO, it is a failure. Does not stop many from indulging in evil deeds, even Popes and priests.
     
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