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If Adam had not sinned.
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Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
No he wouldn't have. He and Eve would still be in the Garden of Eden today, and none of the rest of us would have ever been born.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Are you really saying Adam and Eve's "sin" somehow was a glitch in God's plan, that He didn't know full well what was going to happen? Do you really think He wouldn't have been completely able to keep them from "sinning" if He'd wanted to? Why on earth would He have allowed Lucifer to tempt them if He'd wanted them to remain innocent and without hope of progressing for ever and ever? That doesn't make any sense to me.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I'm just curious... do you think they simply disappeared? Are you saying they're nowhere?
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I don't believe they would have done. I believe that they would have remained in ignorance and innocence (i.e. childlike) in the Garden of Eden forever, never experiencing sickness, pain, discouragment or anything we would see as negative. Consequently, they would have never been able to learn to choose between good and evil, and would never have had the opportunity to grow and progress. Since they did not become fully mortal until after they ate the fruit, they could neither reproduce nor die. (As my answer probably implies, Mormons hold Adam and Eve in pretty high regard.)
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Koldo
Outstanding Member
waitasec
Veteran Member
actually katzpur, i corrected myself...a few posts later
god told them to be fruitful and multiply before that fateful day...
but you did bring up interesting points...
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I saw that, but I added what I did because Mormons believe that it would have been impossible to keep the commandment of "being fruitful and multiplying" until after they had broken the commandment not to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Before being cast out of the Garden of Eden, they didn't even know they were naked. We see that as an indication that in terms of their sexual desire, they were pretty much like children. They may have physically had all of the "parts" necessary to reproduce, but in Eden, their sexual desires simply didn't exist. They were made mortal when they were made to leave the Garden, and with mortality comes the ability to procreate and the guarantee of death at some point. I think most Christians think we'd all be living blissfully in Eden today if they'd never eaten the fruit. We LDS don't believe that.actually katzpur, i corrected myself...a few posts later
god told them to be fruitful and multiply before that fateful day...
but you did bring up interesting points...
Thief
Rogue Theologian
waitasec
Veteran Member
which goes to show you that god set man up to fail...in his all knowingness...he knew, that is why he said be fruitful and multiply.
to add, the entire idea of nakedness being wrong is sort of strange to me...
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
God set man up to succeed, to become as He is. The first step in the process was to be able to distinguish between good and evil.
Did somebody say something about nakedness being wrong?
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waitasec
Veteran Member
that remains to be debated
i don't know, counting calories i can do without
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waitasec
Veteran Member
why else would they be ashamed of their nakedness?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Not.
So you actually believe in a species of tree that can impart specific knowledge as the fruit is consumed?
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I think it was embarrassment due to suddenly becoming sexually aware. If you were three years old and had been hanging out naked with someone of the opposite sex and then suddenly had the feelings and sexual awareness of a twenty-year old, and realized that the two of you were naked, you'd probably feel a little awkward. Then again, maybe you wouldn't. I just know I would. (Honestly, how do people come up with questions like this?
)Adam was already in heaven I believe.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
The tree of knowledge is as real as Tarzan, in the context of their stories.
In the same way that Tarzan exists, so does the tree of knowledge.
If they indeed exist, then they are not simply metaphors.
waitasec
Veteran Member
I think it was embarrassment due to suddenly becoming sexually aware. If you were three years old and had been hanging out naked with someone of the opposite sex and then suddenly had the feelings and sexual awareness of a twenty-year old, and realized that the two of you were naked, you'd probably feel a little awkward. Then again, maybe you wouldn't. I just know I would. (Honestly, how do people come up with questions like this?
i think this story was a way to explain why it is we are embarrassed to show our nakedness...
the reason for silly questions is because its a story that has many many holes in it...
being sexually aware shouldn't be something to be ashamed of...imo.
it is a natural process...
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
John 3:13 no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man
Acts 2:29 Men, brothers, it is allowable to speak with freeness of speech to YOU concerning the family head David, that he both deceased and was buried and his tomb is among us to this day. ... 34 Actually David did not ascend to the heavens
if king David did not go to heaven, what makes you think that Adam might have?