If Adam had not sinned.

[Protoman]

If Adam had not sinned, would he eventually have gone to heaven?

 

[Hodad]

What says he didn't?

 

[jonadab]

What says he didn't?

It was not Gods original purpose for man someday to die. He warned Adam that he would die if he ate from the tree of Knowledge. Genesis 3:19 tells us that he returned to the dust that he was made from.

 

[Protoman]

It was not Gods original purpose for man someday to die. He warned Adam that he would die if he ate from the tree of Knowledge. Genesis 3:19 tells us that he returned to the dust that he was made from.

So you mean that Adam could have lived forever on earth, if he hadn't disobeyed God?

 

[McBell]

It was not Gods original purpose for man someday to die.

What does that have to do with Adam not going to heaven had he not sinned?

 

[jonadab]

So you mean that Adam could have lived forever on earth, if he hadn't disobeyed God?

Yes, Psalm 37:29 "The upright will have the earth for their heritage, and will go on living there for ever".
This verse makes it clear that God's basic purpose regarding the earth and mankind has not changed.
In time God sent his Son to die on behalf of mankind so that those who would put faith in this provision might enjoy everlasting life. John 3:16,36

 

[Koldo]

If Adam had not sinned, would he eventually have gone to heaven?

Good question. I would like to know the answer too.

 

[Koldo]

Yes, Psalm 37:29 "The upright will have the earth for their heritage, and will go on living there for ever".
This verse makes it clear that God's basic purpose regarding the earth and mankind has not changed.
In time God sent his Son to die on behalf of mankind so that those who would put faith in this provision might enjoy everlasting life. John 3:16,36

I would like to point out Genesis 3:22 - 22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

God banished Adam and Eve from Eden just so they wouldn't be granted with everlasting life by eating the fruit from the tree of life.

 

[jonadab]

What does that have to do with Adam not going to heaven had he not sinned?

Gen. 1:26: “God went on to say: ‘Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth.’” (So, God’s purpose for Adam was that he be caretaker of the earth and of the animal life there. Nothing is said about his going to heaven.)

 

[jonadab]

I would like to point out Genesis 3:22 - 22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

God banished Adam and Eve from Eden just so they wouldn't be granted with everlasting life by eating the fruit from the tree of life.

Correct. That's why they eventually died, and no longer exist on the earth or in heaven.

 

[Hodad]

Correct. That's why they eventually died, and no longer exist on the earth or in heaven.

Do you have a proof text for this, or is this a guess?

If it is a guess, let me do some guessing too.

Elohim said man would die if he ate from the tree in the midst of the Garden. Man ate of the tree and lived on physically. Therefore, the death must have been spiritual.

I'm guessing man is some small cog in some larger plan showing God's mercy and forgiveness to those created beings willing to turn back to Him, believe all truth resides in Him, and willingly commit to giving Him complete Kingship of their lives, and live according to His precepts.

Just guessing though.

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[Skwim]

It was not Gods original purpose for man someday to die. He warned Adam that he would die if he ate from the tree of Knowledge. Genesis 3:19 tells us that he returned to the dust that he was made from.

You mean the omniscient god of Abraham didn't foresee that man would mess up so badly that he'd invite death upon himself? Gotta wonder what distracted god at the time. Suppose Satan finally got to him?

 

[jonadab]

Do you have a proof text for this, or is this a guess?

If it is a guess, let me do some guessing too.

Elohim said man would die if he ate from the tree in the midst of the Garden. Man ate of the tree and lived on physically. Therefore, the death must have been spiritual.

I'm guessing man is some small cog in some larger plan showing God's mercy and forgiveness to those created beings willing to turn back to Him, believe all truth resides in Him, and willingly commit to giving Him complete Kingship of their lives, and live according to His precepts.

Just guessing though.

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Gen. 2:16, 17: “God also laid this command upon the man: ‘From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.’” (It was not God’s original purpose for man someday to die. God’s command here quoted shows that he warned against the course that would lead to death. Death was to be punishment for disobedience, not the doorway to a better life in heaven. Obedience would have been rewarded by continued life, eternal life, in the Paradise that God had given to man. See also Isaiah 45:18.)

 

[waitasec]

had they not sinned, would they have children?

 

[jonadab]

You mean the omniscient god of Abraham didn't foresee that man would mess up so badly that he'd invite death upon himself? Gotta wonder what distracted god at the time. Suppose Satan finally got to him?

God has given us the gift of free will, so we can make our own choices about how we will live. He wants us to make the right choices, and his Word, the Bible, tells us how we can do that. Consider the words of Moses, as found in Deuteronomy chapter 30.
Is it difficult to know what God requires of us and then to do it? Moses states: “This commandment that I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it far away.” (Verse 11) God does not ask the impossible. His requirements are reasonable and reachable. They are also knowable. We do not have to ascend “into the heavens” or journey “to the other side of the sea” in order to learn what God expects of us. (Verses 12, 13) The Bible plainly tells us how we should live.—Micah 6:8.
God, however, does not force us to obey him. Moses says: “I do put before you today life and good, and death and bad.” (Verse 15) We are free to choose between life and death, good and bad. We can choose to worship and obey God with blessings in view, or we can choose to disobey him and suffer the consequences. Either way, the choice is ours.—Verses 16-18; Galatians 6:7, 8.​

 

[jonadab]

had they not sinned, would they have children?

Yes. God purposed that Adam and Eve and their children make the whole earth a paradise. He did not intend that humans grow old and die; nor did he want mankind to harm the environment. However, because of the poor choices made by our first parents, we have inherited sin and death. (Genesis 3:2-6; Romans 5:12) Even so, Jehovah’s purpose has not changed. Soon the earth will be a paradise.—Isaiah 55:10, 11.

 

[waitasec]

God has given us the gift of free will, so we can make our own choices about how we will live. He wants us to make the right choices, and his Word, the Bible, tells us how we can do that. Consider the words of Moses, as found in Deuteronomy chapter 30.
Is it difficult to know what God requires of us and then to do it? Moses states: &#8220;This commandment that I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it far away.&#8221; (Verse 11) God does not ask the impossible. His requirements are reasonable and reachable. They are also knowable. We do not have to ascend &#8220;into the heavens&#8221; or journey &#8220;to the other side of the sea&#8221; in order to learn what God expects of us. (Verses 12, 13) The Bible plainly tells us how we should live.&#8212;Micah 6:8.
God, however, does not force us to obey him. Moses says: &#8220;I do put before you today life and good, and death and bad.&#8221; (Verse 15) We are free to choose between life and death, good and bad. We can choose to worship and obey God with blessings in view, or we can choose to disobey him and suffer the consequences. Either way, the choice is ours.&#8212;Verses 16-18; Galatians 6:7, 8.​

seems to me the god in the bible would rather have man behave like a trained animal.

 

[waitasec]

had they not sinned, would they have children?

Yes. God purposed that Adam and Eve and their children make the whole earth a paradise. He did not intend that humans grow old and die; nor did he want mankind to harm the environment. However, because of the poor choices made by our first parents, we have inherited sin and death. (Genesis 3:2-6; Romans 5:12) Even so, Jehovah’s purpose has not changed. Soon the earth will be a paradise.—Isaiah 55:10, 11.

yes yes of course, i forgot...
genesis 1:28: "be fruitful and multiply"


nevermind...

 

[Skwim]

God has given us the gift of free will, so we can make our own choices about how we will live. He wants us to make the right choices, and his Word, the Bible, tells us how we can do that. ​

Ah, the illusion of free will.

At the risk being ignored for asking the question, just what is will, and what is it free of?

Consider the words of Moses, as found in Deuteronomy chapter 30.
Is it difficult to know what God requires of us and then to do it? Moses states: “This commandment that I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it far away.” (Verse 11) God does not ask the impossible. His requirements are reasonable and reachable. They are also knowable. We do not have to ascend “into the heavens” or journey “to the other side of the sea” in order to learn what God expects of us. (Verses 12, 13) The Bible plainly tells us how we should live.—Micah 6:8.
God, however, does not force us to obey him. Moses says: “I do put before you today life and good, and death and bad.” (Verse 15) We are free to choose between life and death, good and bad. We can choose to worship and obey God with blessings in view, or we can choose to disobey him and suffer the consequences. Either way, the choice is ours.—Verses 16-18; Galatians 6:7, 8.

All irrelevant.
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When you said

"It was not Gods original purpose for man someday to die. He warned Adam that he would die if he ate from the tree of Knowledge."
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It implies that god was ignorant of what lay ahead: A&E disobedience. And as an omniscient creature--I do assume you believe god is omniscient*---he would have surely known what was about to happen with the two.




* "omniscient"
The attribute of God by which God perfectly and eternally knows all things which can be known, past, present, and future. God knows how best to attain His desired ends.
Source: Attributes of God

 

[McBell]

Nothing is said about his going to heaven

So you are basing the whole premise on there nothing being said?