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How can some Americans support a traitor for a President?

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
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How can some Americans support a traitor for a President?​


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They’ve been doing it since the start :D
Made me chuckle.
 

lewisnotmiller

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I despair of expecting Trump to do what is decent and right, but maybe he has had an occasional shining (and conscience-driven) moment.

I only know that a Republican criticized Robert Foster because I went to the trouble of finding it. That's because I truly do believe that most people want to be decent and do the right thing, even to the point of transcending politics.

I challenge everyone here to make an effort to equally find those who speak out against hatefulness, regardless of whichever political party you support.
If you need a campaign manager, I'm here for ya...
 

Unfettered

A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
What is it like to wake up from a 6 year coma? Do you feel rested?

Betrayed by stealing classified documents. Betrayed by lying to the American people about an election. Betraying by organizing a coup. That kind of betraying.
If we're talking about Donald Trump, I don't believe he has done anything traitorous. I think he's done some foolish and juvenile things, but not traitorous.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
I agree with you about trump and fans. I fail to see how this doesn't apply to the left as well though.
It does apply to some on the left, but not to most. As what they want is inclusivity, equal rights and representation, and equal opportunity for all. These are not selfish things to want, so wanting them is not being selfish. These are not things that advantage oneself at a cost to others.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Right. Many view Trump as a patriot.
Traitors almost never see themselves as traitors. They see themselves as super-patriots, saving their country from itself by selling it out or destroying it for personal gain. Thieves are the same way. They tell themselves that stealing someone else's property is a kind of justice. That they are 'owed' it. They deserve to have it because they are clever enough to take it and get away with it.

No one ever sees themselves as the bad guy even when they are. Especially when they are.
 
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JIMMY12345

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For that is what Trump is, if John Kelly is not lying. It is difficult to believe that a former general will be lying about this. Its hard to call anyone who holds the views Trump has as anything but a traitor.



https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/02/...-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html

This combined with Trumps attempt to overturn legitimate elections show that he is nothing short of a traitor.
Why would anyone want this kind of a person to lead a nation, any nation, is beyond me. Thoughts on the matter?
Some people love Broccoli. Some hate it. You can't change people's minds (or only with difficulty). As manufacturing goes overseas many see Trump as their only hope.Of course the jobs will NOT come back no one wants to work for sweat labour. Trump tells the Proud boys they are great,He tells LGBT they are great.The stormy Daniels will not dent Trump even with Evangelicals. He may have overestimated assets.In elections people have short memories.Putin loves Trump deeply . Trump willingly does what he wants ESPECIALLY UKRAINE.Personally I think Trump has an excellent chance of being the next POTUS.
 

sayak83

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If we're talking about Donald Trump, I don't believe he has done anything traitorous. I think he's done some foolish and juvenile things, but not traitorous.
The president is the commander in chief of the armed forces. If he believes that the soldiers are fools and suckers and that dead soldiers are losers then he is betraying the army that he is the chief of and thereby betraying the office of the President.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
If we're talking about Donald Trump, I don't believe he has done anything traitorous. I think he's done some foolish and juvenile things, but not traitorous.
I as well. He ran as a statement that the country and particularly the Democrat Party was undermining constitutional freedom and liberty. At the time no one really thought he would be elected or he was even serious about becoming president to make changes but of course looking back we know what went down in that regard.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
If we're talking about Donald Trump, I don't believe he has done anything traitorous. I think he's done some foolish and juvenile things, but not traitorous.
The Cambridge Dictionary defines traitor as "a person who is not loyal or stops being loyal to their own country, social class, beliefs, etc." It requires something akin to breathtaking ignorance to claim that this increasingly malignant narcissist was and is "loyal" to anything or anyone other than himself.
 

1137

Veteran Member
Premium Member
It does apply to some on the left, but not to most. As what they want is inclusivity, equal rights and representation, and equal opportunity for all. These are not selfish things to want, so wanting them is not being selfish. These are not things that advantage oneself at a cost to others.
Is blue kool-aid really this good?
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
For that is what Trump is, if John Kelly is not lying. It is difficult to believe that a former general will be lying about this. Its hard to call anyone who holds the views Trump has as anything but a traitor.



https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/02/...-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html

This combined with Trumps attempt to overturn legitimate elections show that he is nothing short of a traitor.
Why would anyone want this kind of a person to lead a nation, any nation, is beyond me. Thoughts on the matter?
What I have learned is that most people care about only things that benefit their ego's. The more supported by belief the easier it is to ignore negatives. Skeptical thinking is the minority while herd mentality is the majority. In today's world the web has made it much easier to find small herds of like thinking.
 

Valjean

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Premium Member
Is blue kool-aid really this good?
It was blue Cool-aid that freed the slaves, gave women the vote, banned child labor, established the eight hour day and minimum wage, legalized unions, promoted equal justice, established health and safety regulations, established public education, created a middle class, &al...
As I recall, it was the lovers of red Cool-aid that vigorously opposed all of these -- as well as being the ones who sent the aforementioned jobs overseas.

So yes. Democracy, justice and government of, by and for the people -- blue Cool-aid -- really is that good.
 

Unfettered

A striving disciple of Jesus Christ

Shaul

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Premium Member
It was blue Cool-aid that freed the slaves, gave women the vote, banned child labor, established the eight hour day and minimum wage, legalized unions, promoted equal justice, established health and safety regulations, established public education, created a middle class, &al...
As I recall, it was the lovers of red Cool-aid that vigorously opposed all of these -- as well as being the ones who sent the aforementioned jobs overseas.

So yes. Democracy, justice and government of, by and for the people -- blue Cool-aid -- really is that good.
What you wrote is contrary to history. It was the Republican party that freed the slaves and the Democrats that opposed freeing them. It was Republicans that championed giving women the vote, ( Suffrage - Women in the GOP ) not the Democrats. Republicans are the party of equality and championing for individual rights. Democrats, not so much.
 
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