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Featured How and why did you reject christ?

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  1. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Love is patient. Love is kind.

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    Why did you reject christ after having a genuine personal relationship with and his god?

    Did you have a conversation with him (if you had a genuine relationship with christ before) and told me hey, see ya? or had a deep talk of departure?

    If you had a genuine relationship with the christian god directly, the same questions.

    Many people reject christianity, but I'm wondering if they had a relationship with christ, how did they reject christ and/or his god. There is a difference.

    For me, I never had a relationship with christ's father. Never believed he existed. Christ, I can kinda understand, because he was a human flesh and blood. That, and I do believe in spirits (say of my loved ones), so this wasn't too hard to "get." The more I worshiped, the less I worshiped. It was an intense feeling of "this isn't right for you." Then I say and thought about what my priest said to me before I went to RCIA. "Maybe you should wait." Now, if Churches want you to come to church and be saved, what priest would ask you to wait first?

    So, however you define it, I said in so many words "hey, jesus. I know you're important to people. I can't believe in human sacrifice. (I feel its wrong to worship 'you' as a person/flesh/however defined). This is my last actual Mass.

    That's it.

    I'm more open than most since I really have nothing to hide about my spiritual life. I did read a native american quote (I posted it somewhere). The author of this book asked her chief if she can use his words in her book. He says, "Of course you can use them. They are not my words, but of god". (Context please)

    Why did you reject christ after having a genuine personal relationship with and his god?
     
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  2. Rival

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    Because he doesn't fit the prophecies he's supposed to have.
     
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  3. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Love is patient. Love is kind.

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    How did you reject him?

    Did you have a personal relationship with him?

    Did you just leave or did you did it more personal walk away?
     
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    Just left. There was nothing to much leave as I no longer believed Jesus is anything other than bones.
     
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    1. Many of its followers close the door on LGBT+ people.

    2. Even in cases where this isn't true, I don't find most of the more vocal church people to be people who display their religion in a good light, or who show how Abrahamic teachings have helped them strive to be better than your average nonChristian by example.
     
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  6. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Love is patient. Love is kind.

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    Pushing a bit further. Would you just leave someone on earth if you no longer loved them (or however positive feelings you have for them) or would you have a chit chat or something to close that relationship (if it was a personal one)?
     
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    There was no person.
     
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  8. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Love is patient. Love is kind.

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    Did you have a personal relationship with jesus?
     
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    No. I only thought I did.
     
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  10. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    I realized one day that it never was Christ or God of which I had any type relationship with for one simple reason.

    Christ and God never ever shows up.

    No Angels either. No thundering voice. No burning bushes or parting of the seas. No manna falling from heaven. Nada.

    It always has been, and still is the people themselves making all the noise, and came to the realization that these silent mythological figures are in reality, mental puppets being artfully played out by groups of people who assemble in a room oftentimes requiring musical accompaniment, candles, and religious imagery as it applies in order to set the mood.

    It was fairly easy to put it all down once the realization fully hit me.
     
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  11. ChristineM

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    I was driven out by a congregation who thought it funny to mock disability.

    Then i read the bible properly, and did some research of my own looking for reasons before taking mid east history as an elective at uni. Synergy? The total of my experience up to then made the decision for me.

    Since then my decision has been validated several times. Put it this way, the only times i have faced violence the perp was christian.
     
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  12. Nowhere Man

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    It's why I make the statement that Christians are not the light of the world or the salt of the earth. They're the same as anybody else living on the planet with a religion that is no more or less special, spectacular, or unique than any other religion that is out there.

    I think the most poignant thing I saw was that there is no divine miracle of consensus. In fact it's completely the opposite.

    They are really truly a confused bunch of people who are obviously not in communication with anything except the tenets of their immediate denomination and even sometimes that gets confused as well.

    It's kind of nice to see all that though in the end. It tells me that they are no different, special, or unique than anybody else out there.

    They are acting the same as one would expect in a natural world. That's kind of a beauty in itself that the best religion is what's around you and of course what's inside you, lest you make the mistake of separating everything.
     
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  13. Mock Turtle

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    Never got the call. Apart from being suspicious about the multitude of different religious beliefs, I'm not that intimidated by what religions have built over the centuries, and more, perhaps knowing that we have lived with so many erroneous beliefs or downright lies ever since we began to live in larger groups - with much of this coming from the various power structures which then tend to form. No real idea as to who Jesus Christ was but I very much doubt he was anything like as depicted by the various appropriate faiths.
     
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  14. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Love is patient. Love is kind.

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    Yeah. I realized that a couple of times. One is when I went to Latin Mass. I don't have issues with supernatural beliefs etc. I experienced them myself in other practices. However, in Latin Mass you see the whole political and deadly history of christianity (not just the Church) all in one lump sum. It's like someone transporting you back to where Moses was around with slaves. That, or even bowing down to a hanging jesus for "his blood" just as the blood of kings and blood of the war. Something about blood always bothered me. It almost seems like its making the "meaning" of blood positive through, how can I say, changing the concept of death/suffering to death/life. I have it on the top of my tongue.

    Going to Mass in NY in a confessional where you're in a box. The priest has this slide he can pull back and then if you tell him you sinned, he said (to me), "the devil made you do it." Now, I'm glad I wasn't raised christian, but can you imagine?

    Many would argue that christianity is about christ, though. What I'm saying is religion. Though the jews reject christ, so if not christian and of not jewish, what is left?

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    Was thinking, though. Say, for example, you're in a relationship. Then you find out you didn't love the person you're with. Would you pick up and just leave? Talk to that person and say "this is how it is?" Kind of like putting a closure to grief. The person has deceased, so you're not talking to the person in real life. It's a closure act rather than needing to talk to a real person. Just a comparison.
     
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  15. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Love is patient. Love is kind.

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    Thanks. Did you have a personal relationship with jesus despite this or was it based solely on your experiences and knowledge?
     
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    There was no relationship. Calling it a relationship is not accurate at all

    Conversation? You mean talking to the air?

    Smells like a setup for a no true scotsman fallacy

    Smells like a setup for a no true scotsman fallacy

    See the above.

    I stopped believing as fundamental claims were shown to be false or lacked evidence.
     
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  17. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Love is patient. Love is kind.

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    Many of those who have or had a personal relationship with jesus believed jesus existed in some fashion or form. So, they did believe he existed. They found out or realized one way or another that they were never in love or the person they love is a delusion, and then just stop practicing or gradually went to another lifestyle, moral system, or religion that fits their heart and wants. For some people, breaking a relationship is hard and others it's like they never cared for their personal experience to begin with since it's predicated on a lie.

    Lack of evidence, an actual jesus, christian history, politics, evidence,and ethics are really besides the point of the question. These things answer why a person leaves but in personal relationships, usually (unless maybe they were abused or something), it wouldn't be an abrupt departure unless the person believed jesus never existed to begin with.
     
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    Unveiled Artist Love is patient. Love is kind.

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    Was there a personal inner change regardless the external (fulfilled prophecies, evidence, etc) or was it soley external?

    For example, a person can believe all the things jesus taught true but still reject him for whatever reason despite what they know is true-it just didn't work for them. Like someone in a relationship probably wouldn't deny that there was a real relationship or love between the two but for whatever inner reason (not always based on externals), the relationship just doesn't work out.

    Think of it like a gay person having a straight relationship. Nothing wrong with loving the other person, it wouldn't be based on a lie. We are humans. On the other hand, there is an internal (how do I say) dissonance based on what the mind and body says in relation to the person they are with. So, they confront their feelings and approach the other person (they believe as a real person), to cut the ties.
     
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    Again you are distorting what relationship means.
     
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  20. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    I didnt, never have or never will have a personal relationship with a dead guy and cannot see how anyone can make such a claim.

    I was however dedicated to the church and its mores
     
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