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House Report: US Democracy at Risk

exchemist

Veteran Member
I see a report has been published that confirms much of what has become apparent to me and a lot of others for some time: there really is a significant threat to the US democratic process, directly due to Trump and his supporters.

The report catalogues campaigns of misinformation, intimidation of officials, and the passing of laws at state level that hinder the operation of democracy.

This is a really serious danger now.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22130455/2022-08-11-election-disinformation-report.pdf
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Is this a good time for the...... "I told you so".

Not at you. But at those that have been ignoring this trend over the last 4 years.
The sad thing Trump himself is too stupid to do it himself. He is no Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Pol Pot or anyone else with the ambition, drive and brains to actually pull it off. Any half witted wanna-be tinpot dictator would have jumped on covid as a means to take over.
But his fans are rabid, heavily armed, militant, utterly deaf to everything outside of their bubble and are more uncivilized and barbaric than the so-called "barbarians" of past ages. It says a lot when the Germanic tribes, even of ancient times, believed only the gods could condemn a man to death but these savage hooligans running around today want to kill people who disagree and politicians who don't kneel and submit amd instead stand in support of the lawful system (like Pence. I hate him but those who demanded his life are incomparably worse).
 

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
The United States of America as we know it is in a severely weakened state. Many things have contributed to this. Politics, the corrupt media… and social media, especially.

People have allowed social media like TikTok and Twitter to warp their minds into something weak, degenerate and anti-American. America is fractured, Gen Z Americans are the most confused and “mentally ill” generation in all of recent history… and while so many Americans are at each others’ throats over politics, glued to their phones, confused about their identities, desperate for attention and addicted to social media… they become complacent and forget what it even means to be American, and lose interest in any form of national identity, while our enemies grow stronger.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
The United States of America as we know it is in a severely weakened state. Many things have contributed to this. Politics, the corrupt media… and social media, especially.

People have allowed social media like TikTok and Twitter to warp their minds into something weak, degenerate and anti-American. America is fractured, Gen Z Americans are the most confused and “mentally ill” generation in all of recent history… and while so many Americans are at each others’ throats over politics, glued to their phones, confused about their identities, desperate for attention and addicted to social media… they become complacent and forget what it even means to be American, and lose interest in any form of national identity, while our enemies grow stronger.
All this may be true, but it does not detract from the specific scandal of one of the United States's two main political parties using the phenomenon you describe to weaken the democratic system of the country, by sowing baseless distrust in its processes. And all in the name of "saving" the country, supposedly. It rather invites the question of what it is they think they will be "saving", if the country is no longer a functioning democracy.
 

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
I see a report has been published that confirms much of what has become apparent to me and a lot of others for some time: there really is a significant threat to the US democratic process, directly due to Trump and his supporters.

The report catalogues campaigns of misinformation, intimidation of officials, and the passing of laws at state level that hinder the operation of democracy.

This is a really serious danger now.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22130455/2022-08-11-election-disinformation-report.pdf
That's a frightening litany. Russia, China and America next. Clearly a lot of Americans actually don't want a functioning meaningful democracy. They are turkeys voting (haha) for christmas.
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
The United States of America as we know it is in a severely weakened state. Many things have contributed to this. Politics, the corrupt media… and social media, especially.

People have allowed social media like TikTok and Twitter to warp their minds into something weak, degenerate and anti-American. America is fractured, Gen Z Americans are the most confused and “mentally ill” generation in all of recent history… and while so many Americans are at each others’ throats over politics, glued to their phones, confused about their identities, desperate for attention and addicted to social media… they become complacent and forget what it even means to be American, and lose interest in any form of national identity, while our enemies grow stronger.


What does it mean to be American?
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
That's a frightening litany. Russia, China and America next. Clearly a lot of Americans actually don't want a functioning meaningful democracy. They are turkeys voting (haha) for christmas.
The report makes deeply disturbing reading. That's why, as we have a lot of American readers here, I thought it was worth starting a thread on it, so that people can read it for themselves - or at least be aware of it.
 
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exchemist

Veteran Member
That's a frightening litany. Russia, China and America next. Clearly a lot of Americans actually don't want a functioning meaningful democracy. They are turkeys voting (haha) for christmas.
Not to mention Hungary, whose prime minister has just visited the US's (basically Republican) CPAC in Texas, where he was received rapturously.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
What does it mean to be American?

America was originally a British colony. Like most humans since the beginning of civilization, the colonists were under monarchy rule. Monarchy rule is where a small group, such as a family of people, have all the power, land and wealth. There was little if any middle class, and the majority of people were peasants and serfs. There was no upward mobility from these lower ranks, since your life was pre-defined at birth and leadership was based on birth right that did not have to be shared. This meant you best people were not your leaders except in rare cases. Instead birth right often lead to corruption because of incompetent people who had all the power by right of birth.

When America formed; Declaration of Independence, a new type of country was about to form. This new country was based on the people and by the people, instead of on large central government, led by royalty.

The Constitution outlined a way for humans to rule themselves, with government only there to make life easier, instead of more difficult. They installed checks and balances to minimize the power and over reach of the government. This was to avoid a regression back toward a monarchy form of government.

The American spirit was one of freedom and individuality, based on the open form of government, as well as due to the vast raw resources that the new land offered. Freedom of religion and speech was part of that model since religion offered a way for free people to self monitor their own behavior.

This new form of government, by the people and for the people, was designed to help its citizens rise from being only peasants and serfs; taxation without representation. It allowed a middle class to form, where even people from lowly starting places could rise to become its leader; Lincoln.

The end of Democracy is connected to those who seek to reverse this experiment and replace it with big government that takes away the rights of the citizens and destroys the middle class. This are the first steps back to monarchy rule over peasants and serfs, with incompetent and self serving leaders.

If you look at the two political parties, the one that prefers big government and like to make regulations and changes that hurt the middle class is against Democracy. The one who censors and presents misinformation are enemies of democracy. The Russian Collusion scam was against democracy. Those in power did not wish to share power with the peasants but only by their own version of bureaucratic birth right; Queen Hillary. The party that has a dual standard of justice and who leaders think they are above the law, seek to bring back the ways of the monarchies of old.

Monarchy and big government, versus a open society with a strong middle class with freedom and upward mobility is a good litmus test. Which party is pushing which way? The Covid pandemic and how each party behaved showed us a contrast of styles between central rule versus freedom, or monarchy versus an open society, where people are allowed to make choices instead forced to conform.

Social spending is good, if the end result is to support freedom leading to self sufficiency. If social spending creates generations of dependency, this limits mobility and one becomes a peasant or serf to a monarch. We should help people to help themselves so they can become part of the middle class, so they are free from the thumb of big government. That is how you maintain democracy. To maintain Democracy we need to shrink government, so central power is limited, to just what the framers wanted.

Deficit spending goes against democracy since it harms the middle class by making their taxes worth less, since the present has to pay for the incompetence of boneheads of the past. Teaching students to be open thinkers is good for democracy while indoctrination is the way to monarchies.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
America was originally a British colony. Like most humans since the beginning of civilization, the colonists were under monarchy rule. Monarchy rule is where a small group, such as a family of people, have all the power, land and wealth. There was little if any middle class, and the majority of people were peasants and serfs. There was no upward mobility from these lower ranks, since your life was pre-defined at birth and leadership was based on birth right that did not have to be shared. This meant you best people were not your leaders except in rare cases. Instead birth right often lead to corruption because of incompetent people who had all the power by right of birth.

When America formed; Declaration of Independence, a new type of country was about to form. This new country was based on the people and by the people, instead of on large central government, led by royalty.

The Constitution outlined a way for humans to rule themselves, with government only there to make life easier, instead of more difficult. They installed checks and balances to minimize the power and over reach of the government. This was to avoid a regression back toward a monarchy form of government.

The American spirit was one of freedom and individuality, based on the open form of government, as well as due to the vast raw resources that the new land offered. Freedom of religion and speech was part of that model since religion offered a way for free people to self monitor their own behavior.

This new form of government, by the people and for the people, was designed to help its citizens rise from being only peasants and serfs; taxation without representation. It allowed a middle class to form, where even people from lowly starting places could rise to become its leader; Lincoln.

The end of Democracy is connected to those who seek to reverse this experiment and replace it with big government that takes away the rights of the citizens and destroys the middle class. This are the first steps back to monarchy rule over peasants and serfs, with incompetent and self serving leaders.

If you look at the two political parties, the one that prefers big government and like to make regulations and changes that hurt the middle class is against Democracy. The one who censors and presents misinformation are enemies of democracy. The Russian Collusion scam was against democracy. Those in power did not wish to share power with the peasants but only by their own version of bureaucratic birth right; Queen Hillary. The party that has a dual standard of justice and who leaders think they are above the law, seek to bring back the ways of the monarchies of old.

Monarchy and big government, versus a open society with a strong middle class with freedom and upward mobility is a good litmus test. Which party is pushing which way? The Covid pandemic and how each party behaved showed us a contrast of styles between central rule versus freedom, or monarchy versus an open society, where people are allowed to make choices instead forced to conform.

Social spending is good, if the end result is to support freedom leading to self sufficiency. If social spending creates generations of dependency, this limits mobility and one becomes a peasant or serf to a monarch. We should help people to help themselves so they can become part of the middle class, so they are free from the thumb of big government. That is how you maintain democracy. To maintain Democracy we need to shrink government, so central power is limited, to just what the framers wanted.

Deficit spending goes against democracy since it harms the middle class by making their taxes worth less, since the present has to pay for the incompetence of boneheads of the past. Teaching students to be open thinkers is good for democracy while indoctrination is the way to monarchies.
This is bilge.

Democracy is about the people being able to vote, and trusting, and abiding by, the result of that vote. If they vote for a party of "big government", that is what they want and that is what they are - in a democracy - entitled to expect. It is up to the people, not you, to decide what is good for them. Any elected "big government" that respects democracy will not be able to remove any rights, without the risk of being voted out of office by the people.

Now, what really is a threat to democracy is a party, or a demagogue, that does not trust and abide by the results of a vote, but seeks to gain and retain power by unfair means, thereby ignoring the will of the people as expressed at the ballot box.

Sound familiar at all?
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
This is a really serious danger now.

It has been for some time. See: A tipping point ...

In my view it is critical that we understand that absolutely nothing contributes to this so much as the intersection of xenophobia, willful ignorance, and the miserably pseudo-intellectual propagation of false equivalencies.

To quote Madeleine Albright on fascism, democracy, and diplomacy:

Talbott noted that the first and last word in Albright’s book is that “fascism does not cover all forms of tyranny.” Madeleine agreed, replying: “Not every dictator or authoritarian is a fascist, but every fascist is a dictator or authoritarian.” Writing the book was an exercise in defining fascism. “It’s not an ideology, it’s a process for gaining and keeping control,” she explained. Exacerbating societal divisions, encouraging tribalism, and the use of violence to maintain control are all elements of fascism.​

And, finally, we must internalize the realization that the labelling of Trump and his allies as a neofascist movement is anything but hyperbole.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
It has been for some time. See: A tipping point ...

In my view it is critical that we understand that absolutely nothing contributes to this so much as the intersection of xenophobia, willful ignorance, and the miserably pseudo-intellectual propagation of false equivalencies.

To quote Madeleine Albright on fascism, democracy, and diplomacy:

Talbott noted that the first and last word in Albright’s book is that “fascism does not cover all forms of tyranny.” Madeleine agreed, replying: “Not every dictator or authoritarian is a fascist, but every fascist is a dictator or authoritarian.” Writing the book was an exercise in defining fascism. “It’s not an ideology, it’s a process for gaining and keeping control,” she explained. Exacerbating societal divisions, encouraging tribalism, and the use of violence to maintain control are all elements of fascism.​

And, finally, we must internalize the realization that the labelling of Trump and his allies as a neofascist movement is anything but hyperbole.
That's interesting. I note, however that Albright declined to label Trump outright as fascist. I too am deliberately avoiding attaching the label "fascist", as it tends to get thrown around rather too easily. It may antagonise some people needlessly and reduce the chance I may be perceived as an outsider without an axe to grind.

But yes, there are elements of fascism starting to come through increasingly clearly. I note that one Republican senator recently claimed the party was trying to "save" the country, though he did not spell out from what. I suppose the idea is that a supporter can fill in the blank with whatever his pet hate may be.

I must say that I do not see any serious threat that the US that it needs "saving" from - apart from the threat to its democracy posed by much of today's Republican party and its supporters.:shrug:
 
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