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Hinduism and the Bible

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
This may be a hard one. So my question. Does accepting the Bible's teachings lead one to some very anti-Hindu perspectives on account the Bible seems to be against polytheism and idol worship?

Exodus 20:3-5
Exodus 20:4-6

Now my last sentence is of course flexible statements. Some might argue Christianity has multiple gods, and that it's of course not so black and white that Hindu people worship idols, and say that is what the Bible meant, and that Hindu people just use them in practice. But do you expect that to always be taken into account?

But looking at the overall picture, if one wishes to put themselves at a point firmly within the Hindu faith, should they accept the Bible because doing so helps others accept them, or should they take a very cautious approach because this very book could cause some pretty anti-Hindu views, even if it's arguable whether they are perfectly spelled out?

And to further make the connection that the Bible could cause anti-Hindu perspectives, I will put it like this... I'd say most people of the Abrahamic faith love their God. Yet according to the Bible, God hates other gods and graven images. When one loves another, they tend to dislike the obstacles in their loved one's path most of the time.

I'm not saying I firmly believe everything I have written here. Not real firmly. But I don't want to write more that will soften my thoughts, without first hearing some perspectives.
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
You make some very good points above, but let me just add for others' sake that Hinduism may be polytheistic or monotheistic or both, largely varying from one group and one person to another, plus how one may define what a "god" is.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
This may be a hard one. So my question. Does accepting the Bible's teachings lead one to some very anti-Hindu perspectives on account the Bible seems to be against polytheism and idol worship?

Exodus 20:3-5
Exodus 20:4-6

Now my last sentence is of course flexible statements. Some might argue Christianity has multiple gods, and that it's of course not so black and white that Hindu people worship idols, and say that is what the Bible meant, and that Hindu people just use them in practice. But do you expect that to always be taken into account?

But looking at the overall picture, if one wishes to put themselves at a point firmly within the Hindu faith, should they accept the Bible because doing so helps others accept them, or should they take a very cautious approach because this very book could cause some pretty anti-Hindu views, even if it's arguable whether they are perfectly spelled out?

And to further make the connection that the Bible could cause anti-Hindu perspectives, I will put it like this... I'd say most people of the Abrahamic faith love their God. Yet according to the Bible, God hates other gods and graven images. When one loves another, they tend to dislike the obstacles in their loved one's path most of the time.

I'm not saying I firmly believe everything I have written here. Not real firmly. But I don't want to write more that will soften my thoughts, without first hearing some perspectives.

The Christian Bible is largely irrelevant to the vast majority of Hindus. The only reason it has any relevance at all is because of Christian missionaries proselytising. So all this is largely moot.

When I hear 'bible', I like to say ... "Hmmm ... never heard of it."
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The Christian Bible is largely irrelevant to the vast majority of Hindus. The only reason it has any relevance at all is because of Christian missionaries proselytising. So all this is largely moot.

When I hear 'bible', I like to say ... "Hmmm ... never heard of it."
Reminds me of an experience of a friend of mine who studied Hinduism in India but was a Christian himself. At one time he was in a house owned by a Hindu family but saw a picture of Jesus on a wall. Noting his apparent confusion, the husband asked what was the questioning look for? My friend said that he wondered why such a picture was there, and the owner replied that his household felt that Jesus was one of the manifestations of Brahma.
 
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Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
You make some very good points above, but let me just add for others' sake that Hinduism may be polytheistic or monotheistic or both, largely varying from one group and one person to another, plus how one may define what a "god" is.
Both polytheistic and monotheistic? How does that work out?
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
This may be a hard one. So my question. Does accepting the Bible's teachings lead one to some very anti-Hindu perspectives on account the Bible seems to be against polytheism and idol worship?

Exodus 20:3-5
Exodus 20:4-6

Now my last sentence is of course flexible statements. Some might argue Christianity has multiple gods, and that it's of course not so black and white that Hindu people worship idols, and say that is what the Bible meant, and that Hindu people just use them in practice. But do you expect that to always be taken into account?

But looking at the overall picture, if one wishes to put themselves at a point firmly within the Hindu faith, should they accept the Bible because doing so helps others accept them, or should they take a very cautious approach because this very book could cause some pretty anti-Hindu views, even if it's arguable whether they are perfectly spelled out?

And to further make the connection that the Bible could cause anti-Hindu perspectives, I will put it like this... I'd say most people of the Abrahamic faith love their God. Yet according to the Bible, God hates other gods and graven images. When one loves another, they tend to dislike the obstacles in their loved one's path most of the time.

I'm not saying I firmly believe everything I have written here. Not real firmly. But I don't want to write more that will soften my thoughts, without first hearing some perspectives.
Can you explain what you are saying? Why should a Hindu need to care about the Bible. And if a Christian/Jew/Muslim is anti-Hinduism because if Bible/Quranic statements, what can Hindus do about it?
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
Can you explain what you are saying? Why should a Hindu need to care about the Bible. And if a Christian/Jew/Muslim is anti-Hinduism because if Bible/Quranic statements, what can Hindus do about it?

I live in America and am now a believer in the Hindu faith and the trimurti. The US is mostly Christians. I have talked to a few on other websites. And it has been revealed that after they knew I was into the Hindu faith, they didn't very much like talking to me. It made me recall when I was a Christian and met a Hindu person, and was cautious of them too.

Now my statements can be applied to any faith, or reversed and applied to discrimination of Christianity, I'm sure. But just this one chunk of it, is relevant to me having been someone that has been Christian and chose a different path. I guess I'm still struggling with how I see the Bible in the bigger picture of things.
 

sayak83

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Staff member
Premium Member
I live in America and am now a believer in the Hindu faith and the trimurti. The US is mostly Christians. I have talked to a few on other websites. And it has been revealed that after they knew I was into the Hindu faith, they didn't very much like talking to me. It made me recall when I was a Christian and met a Hindu person, and was cautious of them too.

Now my statements can be applied to any faith, or reversed and applied to discrimination of Christianity, I'm sure. But just this one chunk of it, is relevant to me having been someone that has been Christian and chose a different path. I guess I'm still struggling with how I see the Bible in the bigger picture of things.
In this case then, you will have to figure how much difference there is between the God of Christianity and the God/Brahman of Hinduism. Some have found no difference, others have found lots and lots. Your response will depend on what you yourself find.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Both polytheistic and monotheistic? How does that work out?
Because about the only constant within what is called "Hinduism" is that it's a religion that originated in the Indus River Valley region. After that, there's little that can be said that applies to all Hindus because so much is left up to personal discernment.

For example, the rural villages tend to have more Hindus that are polytheistic, whereas in areas that are more "modern" they tend to be more monotheistic with the general belief that all "deities" are manifestations of Brahma. Also, which "branch" and which extended family one is from can more establish what one is more likely to believe along these lines.
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
In this case then, you will have to figure how much difference there is between the God of Christianity and the God/Brahman of Hinduism. Some have found no difference, others have found lots and lots. Your response will depend on what you yourself find.

That'd be simple enough. But then I get to the question of, "How do I liken or separate the Bible from the Christian God which may also be Brahman?"

And then my head hurts.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I believe the Vedas pointed to one God but it appears that some Hindu thinking tends to see things differently. I suppose a person seeking truth would have to ditch the multiple god concept.Of course it is rare to find religious adherents who want the truth at the expense of their religion.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
The Christian Bible is largely irrelevant to the vast majority of Hindus. The only reason it has any relevance at all is because of Christian missionaries proselytising. So all this is largely moot.

When I hear 'bible', I like to say ... "Hmmm ... never heard of it."

I believe people ignore the Bible at their own risk. The Bible has credibility. Hindu writings do not.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Can you explain what you are saying? Why should a Hindu need to care about the Bible. And if a Christian/Jew/Muslim is anti-Hinduism because if Bible/Quranic statements, what can Hindus do about it?

I don't believe I would ever be anti-Hindu. I accept it for what it is worth.
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
By the way, if people ask what my argument in this thread is, there's little. I just asked an extremely long question. Kind of more of the reflective sort. One that I thought could lead to some debate, and that I hoped wouldn't be misread, which I don't think it has so far.
 

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
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Does accepting the Bible's teachings lead one to some very anti-Hindu perspectives on account the Bible seems to be against polytheism and idol worship?

There is nothing relating specifically to Hinduism / Hindus in the Hebrew Bible or New Testament, given that they are both Middle-eastern collections of sacred texts, just as there is nothing in the Vedas or the Upanishads about Abrahamic faiths and their practitioners.

So to begin with, we are speaking here about two distinct cultural-religious 'families' - both geographically and philosophically - that amount to separate spiritual traditions in origin, neither of which has anything directly to say about the other.

As such, it would be exegetically incorrect to read anything in the Bible as pertaining to Hindus. If Christians whom you've met do in fact hold anti-Hindu sentiments (and I'm very sorry to hear that), they can only do so on the basis of 'deductions' from scriptural precepts, which in their literal meaning have no applicability to Hinduism or Hindus.

With all that being said, some of the later Christian church fathers - during the founding generations of the Christian faith (circa. 100 - 500 A.D.) - did acquire information about Vedantic religious traditions, as recorded by Syriac Christian chroniclers such as Bardaisan (A.D. 154 - 222) who had the opportunity to encounter and learn from Indian gymnosophists and mystics. Bardaisan's account (recorded by Porphyry De abstin., iv, 17 and Stobaeus (Eccles., iii, 56, 141)) is the earliest direct contact between any kind of Christian and any kind of Indian religious thinkers that I'm aware of.

His estimation of them was extremely positive:


"For the polity of the Indians being distributed into many parts, there is one tribe among them of men divinely wise, whom the Greeks are accustomed to call Gymnosophists. But of these there are two sects, one of which the Bramins preside over, the Samanaeans the other.[10]

The race of the Bramins, however, receive divine wisdom of this kind by succession, in the same manner as the priesthood. But the Samanaeans are elected, and consist of those who wish to possess divine knowledge.

And the particulars respecting them are the following, as the Babylonian Bardaisan narrates, who lived in the times of our fathers, and was familiar with those Indians who, together with Damadamis, were sent to Caesar. All the Bramins originate from one stock; for all of them are derived from one father and one mother. But the Samanaeans are not the offspring of one family, being, as we have said, collected from every nation of Indians
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— Porphyry De abstin., iv,

The 'Brahmins' are Hindus, the 'Samanaens' are the Sramanas (Buddhists or Jains).

St. Clement of Alexandria (c. 150 – c. 215) - himself one of the earliest mystical theologians in the history of the church - is the next church father I've found with anything at all to say about Hindus and (again) he gave them a sympathetic treatment, portrarying their religious tradition as part of the "divinely inspired philosophy" that the Logos had implanted via semina verbi (seeds) throughout the world:


CHURCH FATHERS: The Stromata (Clement of Alexandria)


"The way of truth is one. But into it, as into a perennial river, streams flow from all sides...

Should it be said that the Greeks discovered philosophy by human wisdom, I reply, that I find the Scriptures declare all wisdom to be a divine gift...

Thus philosophy, a thing of the highest utility, flourished in antiquity among the barbarians, shedding its light over the nations. And afterwards it came to Greece. First in its ranks were the prophets of the Egyptians; and the Chaldeans among the Assyrians; and the Druids among the Gauls; and the Sramanas among the Bactrians; and the philosophers of the Celts; and the Magi of the Persians, who foretold the Saviour's birth, and came into the land of Judaea guided by a star. The Indian gymnosophists are also in the number, and the other barbarian philosophers. And of these there are two classes, some of them called Sramanas, and others Brahmins
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St. Clement refers to the Buddha in a similar fashion:


"...εἰσὶ δὲ τῶν Ἰνδῶν οἱ τοῖς Βούττα πειθόμενοι παραγγέλμασιν. ὃν δι’ ὑπερβολὴν σεμνότητος ὡς θεὸν τετιμήκασι.

Among the Indians are those philosophers also who follow the precepts of Buddha, whom they honour as a god on account of his extraordinary sanctity..."

— Clement of Alexandria, Stromata (Miscellanies), Book I, Chapter XV​



Another fourth century patristic text - from circa A.D. 350 - called the Recognitions refers to Indian priests (Brahmins) in a positive light:



CHURCH FATHERS: Recognitions, Book IX (Clement of Rome)

Chapter 20. Brahmans.

There are likewise among the Bactrians, in the Indian countries, immense multitudes of Brahmans, who also themselves, from the tradition of their ancestors, and peaceful customs and laws, neither commit murder nor adultery, nor worship idols, nor have the practice of eating animal food, are never drunk, never do anything maliciously, but always fear God. And these things indeed they do...nor have malign stars compelled the Brahmans to do any evil.

As you can see, the author praises the Hindu Brahmins and the "tradition of their ancestors" for its pacifism, high moral standards, vegetarianism and reverence for the divine. The text even claims that Hindus do not 'worship idols' (i.e. perhaps because of the concept of Brahman / Atman, courtesy of which there is one Self behind the manifold diversity of deities).

All of these early Christian references to "Hindus" or "Buddhists" are largely positive appraisals. I can find none that are negative in tone - at least that I know of (and trust me, I've read a lot of Patristic literature), or which designate followers of either religion as "idol-worshippers" or reject the potential wisdom they have to offer.

Indeed, in the early middle ages so popular did the biographical accounts of the Buddha's lifestory become in Christian circles - that some fathers recast him as a Christian saint (who was venerated as such right up to modernity):

How the Buddha became a popular Christian saint
 
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