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  1. sun rise

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    This to me has the feeling of accuracy from my understanding of what happens after the body is dropped:

    In near-death experience, man sees hell where he feels all the bad things he did to others

    “I was being put into other people’s shoes as I was doing bad things to them.”

    “I could see how insensitive I was to people and didn’t even know it. It was excruciating and overwhelming to relive things that I had forgotten about, or just didn’t care about. I was made to feel they way I made others feel,” he said.
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    “After a long time, my eyes began to burn so badly, I finally decided that it was worth it to put up with the bad flashes if I could just close my eyes for a while. I began to sob quietly as the flashes of my evil ways rushed in, and I heard a voice. It said, ‘If you ask him, maybe he will save you.'”

    Jeffrey asked again and again for salvation.
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    “I was an alcoholic drug dealer that had become a thug,” he said. But he turned his life around. He no longer fears death, even after his hellish experience, because of his overarching, peaceful connection to the divine.

     
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    Yes, a certain minor percentage of NDEs are hellish--in fact, often more hellish than what Jeffrey relates.

    Actually that is an experience of almost everyone during the "life review"--that is, experiencing the effect that one's actions had on others. Frankly, I don't really look forward to that. I keep a get-out-of-jail-free card from the Monopoly game in my pocket just for that contingency. It seems to be a good idea to try to be good, or it comes back to you in spades.
     
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    The movie Flatliners was a bit like that.
     
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    I have a card like that as a keychain.
     
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    Oh, no, I've got the wrong card!
     
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    I've dreamed of heaven and hell. Just seems to me like the same room, different decorations.
     
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    I think heaven and hell are just different states of consciousness that people experience.
    Some religions teach these things as reality which imbibes fear, particularly to the very young.
     
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    I got myself disfellowshipped from two churches
    that I had been involved with since I had been a teenager due to my
    fascination with these accounts.

    The Worldwide Church of God and one of its offshoots The Philadelphia Church of God
    both had a dogmatic Soul Sleep doctrine...... and if a member were to discuss what
    they considered a false doctrine with another member .... that would by their definition cause
    "division" which meant that you had to be disfellowshipped.

    I believe that near death experience accounts, with relatively few exceptions, are
    honest accounts of what somebody felt, saw and experienced..... and
    I consider these accounts a type of truth that is worth getting into trouble to follow.......
    as best as we can.

    Yes..... it is like our over soul, that exists long before we are even born.... judges the
    specific acts of this lifetime........
    and we have got to learn to honestly admit where we were really at in this life.

    Todd White is an excellent example of a former drug dealer who is now on fire for
    Messiah Yeshua - Jesus but he did have to admit to how terrible his life was before his
    conversion.
     
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    True..... Hollywood film producers and writers tend to be
    an exceptionally well informed group of people.

    Former Atheist Howard Storm was so ashamed of how he had treated others........
    that he asked to be put back into the negative environment of the first part of his
    near death experience..... but...........
    the astonishing humility to consider himself no better than a demon..........
    was exactly what G-d wanted to take Howard to higher, and higher and higher levels of
    wisdom, understanding and love.


    Reverend Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

     
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    Within my own NDE, learned the word 'Ramifications', as didn't know it before the experience, and had to look it up...

    We get to feel the ramifications of our actions: the way we made others feel; if we failed to educate someone to the best of our abilities, and we made them fall, this comes back to us.... It is slightly overwhelming for most.

    Matthew 7:2 For with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you.

    Hell was like lots of quantum strands, each is a soul... It sort of appeared as a dark murky mix of sad colours to me.. It is a place of lost souls in most religious ideas of it, the lowest quantum dimension.

    They got quite mad at me, and smothered me down there for trying to help them with repentance, and enlightenment; so then I called out, "But I know Oneness", and God rescued me, pulling me up to Heaven (Oneness) in a tunnel of light.

    There are loads more details...

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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  11. DennisTate

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    Cardiac physician, Maurice Rawlings M. D. found that a higher percentage of
    his former patients remembered a "hellish" experience when he hypnotized them and took them back in time to the hours of their brush with death.

    The experience was so scary that they had
    forced it from their memory and became one of the seventy percent or more of
    near death experiencers who have a brush with death but do NOT remember floating outside their bodies, meeting deceased relatives or reviewing their lives with a loving being of light.


     
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    Some do sleep... As a four/five year old fell asleep in the den in the graveyard next to our house, knew i shouldn't ever do that; yet accidents happen, and it was a lovely day in the massive fir tree canopy...

    A monk, nobleman and sage, came up to me in my sleep, and asked "how come i was so bright as a being", thus answered "have just come from Heaven", they asked "where was that?", and pointed them up to the massive glowing orb above us in the afterlife.

    Anyways had blanked that out for many years, until someone mentioned necromancy, and then it all came flooding back, like a bad dream...

    They'd just been laying there waiting in hopes of resurrection with worms eating them, and since they didn't believe in reincarnation, had been determined to stay there and wait. :rolleyes:

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Those people who you met during that part of your near death experience have ZERO
    faith in, belief in, the existence of Oneness............
    because they are 99% divided.... by SELFISHNESS!
     
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    Careful those people could be us one day; it is so easy to be deceived in this realm we're in... Why it is called the Maya (a realm of desires that causes delusional).
    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Wow.......!

    That is very similar to what Dr. George Ritchie concluded after being shown a lot about that state........

    Dr. George Ritchie's Near-Death Experience


     
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    Wow!!!!!!

    Very, very true!

    I am certainly guilty of being very, very selfish!

    My mentor Mr. Garner Ted Armstrong got me into debating scriptures...... and theology........
    and a Jehovah's Witness friend of mine Mr. Reg Forbes got me to the place where I
    didn't lose many debates..................
    but these debates........ are not me being completely altruistic.... no I am kind of on an ego trip........... which is another form of selfishness...........

    Wizandia..... you have a calling on your life that is like Moses......
    I think that all near death experiencers do.........
    and the best that I can do as a non-near death experiencer is be kind of like Joshua / Yeshua...... .who loyally followed Moses all his life.

    You near death experiencers..... your faces are glowing.......
    most people fear you.... and that glow....... and want you to veil your faces..... I at least am trying to assist people to take you much more seriously.
     
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    We're in a realm of equal and opposite reactions, so you might find we don't get what we expect always...

    Watch the debates against Dr Eben Alexander by skeptics..Try debating atheists in a public chat area on this subject...

    You will not find that people readily accept miraculous claims, instead the more miraculous the claim, the more necessity for evidence they require.

    Now fair enough if we got lots of people with experiences together, it might prove something; yet again the more reaction, the more opposing reaction as well.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Do you mind telling what was the circumstance of your NDE--i.e., why you were near death? How long ago was it?
     
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    Wow, I was not familiar with Rawlings' work. I began the video. I don't care for the preachy message. I will look him up.
     
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    It was at 23; around 17 years ago.
    Eat the wrong mushrooms, and stopped my heart.
     
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