we are not discussing the degree of civilization of today Egypt.
I am just wondering why those women don't dress like Cleopatra to honor her memory...
So you are talking about clothes. Why then talking about : philosophy, astronomy, litterature ?
Will we ask other people from this or that region why they don't dress anymore like their ancestors to "honor" them ? Some men used to wore skirts, dresses, tights ... you know quite well how europeans used to dress.
Just look at your old kings and noblesse with their tights, littles shorts and heelpiece. Why don't you dress like them ?
Seriously, what is this all about ...
"well....of course the Islamic civilization, which represents the hatred and the rejection of all that's Greek and Hellenistic, destroyed all this."
"and another thing. I don't doubt that they read Hellenistic writings, but Islam does hate and reject all that is Hellenistic \Greek.
Muslims used the works of other civilizations and conserved many writtings from the Antiquity who would have been lost. I'm not the one saying that, but western historians.
Many of their knowledge came from old civilizations.
They may not have accepted some views/ideas because they feel it like anti-islamic but doesn't mean you can say they rejected all of it.
You said they were poor. What do you mean by that?
that poor women are not allowed to dress like they want?
No, i said "maybe" they are poor. They may just want to wear simple dress. There's many rich people who dress like they have no money at all.
You put that photo and said concerning those women :
"And in fact the secret of progress and economic growth is to empower women and to let them decide about their lives.
People can decide which culture is better.
Which is more woman? Cleopatra? Or these women?"
So your are saying that those women
only because they dress like that can't contribute to the economy of their country nor they can decide what is good for themseves.
You came to that conclusion because Cleopatra didn't wear the veil and show some skin ?
The virgin Mary didn't dress like Cleopatra because she "hated" hellenistic and greek civilization too ?
Come on ...
And don't say "she is not egyptian". Because in reality you are juding some women (and their religion) because of how they dress, using the excuse of an old figure to tell them what is supposed to be better for them.
The Hellenistic values are;
- Democracy and freedom of speech
- Freedom of sexual expression: women have the right to show their body and to wear provoking clothes.
- Freedom of thought: people are free not to agree with the decisions taken by the governmental assemblies.
- Freedom of religion, of thought, of association.
- Cultural Equality, or cosmopolitanism: all cultures and all religions are equal before the law and before the state authority
- Juridic equality between man and woman: women can be supreme authorities (Cleopatra)
Here we go again. I won't comment on that because it will be too long so i will stick to the women subject.
But just remember that just few years ago max 1 century ago you didn't have half of those things.
and another thing. what do you think about Cleopatra?
Nothing.