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Heaven is a Police State

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
God is in charge
the angels carry swords

and you will show up at the gate.....

expecting freedom?
Those angels are coming to a gun fight with a knife. How ridiculous are they?

Ciao

- viole
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I don't accept the frame-of-reference of the OP. I quite like the following because I believe it's true that we "judge" ourselves after we've dropped the physical body

"The Baal Shem Tov taught that the heavenly court has neither the power nor the capacity to judge you for what you have done with the life G‑d gave you upon this earth. So this is what they do:

They show you someone’s life—all the achievements and all the failures, all the right decisions and all the wrongdoings—and then they ask you, “So what should we do with this somebody?”

And you give your verdict. Which they accept.

And then they tell you that this somebody was you. Being now in heaven, you don’t recall a thing.

Of course, those who tend to judge others favorably have a decided advantage.

Better get in the habit now."


Rabbi Tzvi Freeman
 

cataway

Well-Known Member
no actually you dont . if you must know you go the other way . then if not for the intervention of the christ you would never get out
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
if it means nothing to you
post as if it doesn't
I thoughts that's what I was doing? Posting to indicate that it means nothing to me. It having no meaning for me, and my remaining silent about it (as you seem to be wanting me to do) are two separate things.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
God is in charge
the angels carry swords

and you will show up at the gate.....

expecting freedom?

Only righteous will get in and they want to live according to God’s will freely, because they understand “love your neighbor” is good and right, no sword or force needed.
 

cataway

Well-Known Member
You know this with certainty, how?
because when you are found dead ,a hole is dug into the earth and your dead body it lowered into it . that hole / grave by definition is the Hell mankind fears.
only by the power of God can Jesus resurrect those that are in the graves .
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I believe in Hierarchy

we have such on earth
there will be hierarchy in heaven

and it is written....
fear not anyone who would harm your flesh
rather you should fear He who is able to rend the soul

the body fails and becomes dust
it is an assembly and will disassemble

the mind and heart are formed
as spirit
and we know our spirits can fail

look around you

you cannot escape your body now.....try and see
and if you fail to escape your body after your last breath
you follow it into the grave
eternal darkness is physically real

but if you have the will to say....It is finished
and you stand from your dust

God and heaven will come to see your resurrection

your hour of reckoning is pending
your last breath

so I believe
 
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